For months and months, right up to February 2006, we in Ohio were told that the "critical analysis of evolution" benchmark and lesson plan wasn't ID. ID advocates on the Ohio State Board of Education -- Michael Cochran and Deborah Owens-Fink -- told us that; the author of the "critical analysis" lesson plan, Bryan Leonard, told us that; the DI repeatedly trumpeted "no ID!" on its web site. No ID at all here, folks, we were assured. Perish the thought!
But in a recent
Seattle Times article, Bruce Chapman, President of the Discovery Institute, was reported to have said that Ohio's State Board of Education eliminated intelligent design when
it discarded the creationist benchmark and lesson plan in February. According to the story,
Already, he [Chapman] said, an effort in Ohio to include intelligent design in school curricula failed when some state school-board members said the Dover case settled the issue. (Italics added)
"... an effort in Ohio to include intelligent design". Well, well. Who woulda thunk it!
The DI's
Media Complaints Division took immediate umbrage. Rob Crowther complained that the reporter got it all wrong. Crowther wrote
It isn't just the theory of intelligent design that Postman has trouble getting straight, it is the facts of what is going on in the public policy debate. He writes that:
"an effort in Ohio to include intelligent design in school curricula failed when some state school-board members said the Dover case settled the issue."
Notice what Crowther left out in the sentence that he quoted from the story: "
Already, he said,...". The
reporter didn't say it, he reported what
Chapman said -- the antecedent of "he" in that sentence is Chapman.
And now, the rest of the story ...
So I was curious and this morning I telephoned David Postman. chief political reporter for the Seattle Times, who wrote the story. Postman told me that he stands by the story as written, and affirmed to me that he wrote what Chapman said. Crowther is condemning Postman for what
Chapman said! 'Course, from Crowther's post you'd never know that Postman was reporting Chapman's remarks. Ellipses must be expensive in Seattle.
Crowther went on
No, Ohio didn't propose intelligent design. That was NOT the issue in Ohio, as we pointed out repeatedly. The idea that Ohio (or Kansas, or anywhere other than Dover, PA) tried to insert intelligent design into the curriculum is completely false, and it stems from a clever PR scheme by Darwinists such as the NCSE. They repeatedly say that Ohio tried to put intelligent design into science classes, even when they didn't, and they say it so often enough that it gets repeated in newspapers as if it was a fact.
Crowther apparently forgot that the original motion in the Ohio State Board of Education, made by Deborah Owens-Fink, was to teach a "two model" approach, naming evolution and intelligent design as the two models. Crowther apparently forgot that the "critical analysis of evolution" lesson plan came straight out of Wells'
Icons of Evolution and
Of Pandas and People. Crowther apparently forgot that Robert Lattimer, spokesman for the Intelligent Design Network affiliate in Ohio, boasted about packing the writing committee, in the process by-passing the normal appointment procedures, and boasted about getting the phrase "intelligent design" into the benchmarks. There's lots more that Crowther forgot, much of it covered in previous posts on PT
here,
here,
here, and
here, among other posts on PT.
And us Darwinists have "a clever PR scheme"? Sorry, Crowther. Us dogmatic Darwinists don't have the money to hire PR firms like
Creative Response Concepts. The
Disco Institute does, though.
RBH
52 Comments
Dan Hocson · 27 April 2006
I am shocked that the Discovery Institute would use quotes out of context!
Okay, back to watching CSI.
Timothy J Scriven · 28 April 2006
Hehehehe, first they didn't want us to call ID creationism and now they don't want us to to call critical analysis ID, is there a pattern here?
KiwiInOz · 28 April 2006
Yes there is a pattern, but it is not very intelligently designed, unless disembling is CSI.
Daniel Morgan · 28 April 2006
Surely ol' Bobby Crowther wouldn't be
lyingspinning a story because they can't keep theirliesfacts straight?I'm sure this is the first time. Right...?
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
As it has done several times previously in its history, the fundamentalist anti-evolution movement is responding to a crushing court loss by simply altering the presentation of its religious message to avoid whatever language it was that has just been struck down. When the Epperson case banned religious anti-evolution arguments in schools, creation "science" was born, which presented itself as scientific and *not* religious. When the Supreme Court killed creation "science" because of its reliance on Biblical literalist interpretations of Genesis, "intelligent design theory" was born, and presented itself as science that depended on *no* particular conception of a creator or designer. When the Dover case killed ID because its "alternative design theory" was inherently religious in nature, "teach the controversy" was born, which presented itself solely as "scientific criticism of evolution" and offered *no* "alternative theory" at all. From now on, instead of attempting to push "intelligent design theory" into schools, the Discovery Institute and its supporters are forced to retreat to the much weaker notion of teaching the alleged "scientific problems" with evolution instead. The new strategy drops any mention of "intelligent design" -- which, IDers hope, would allow them to do an end run around the Dover decision, just as ID had been intended to do an end run around the Aguillard decision and creation "science" had been intended to do an end run around the Epperson decision. "Teach the controversy" is, in fact, just the latest attempt in a long string of BS and deception. It won't do any better in court than ID did.
Flint · 28 April 2006
It's almost impossible NOT to be reminded of Winston Smith waking up one morning to find that the enemy has changed, and recent history must be entirely rewritten. Suddenly everything that happened never happened, everything everyone said was never said. To be a spokesman for the DI, you need to be the kind of person who can look someone straight in the eye, deny they exist, and *believe* it. If a large enough audience is out there that wants to believe it, then this approach works every time. Orwell's work wasn't entirely fiction.
mark · 28 April 2006
How dare you use their own words against the poor crea--IDiots! By using their own words, they are made to sound as if they are liars, having no concern for the truth or the higher morality that being anti-evolution confers upon a person.
j-Dog · 28 April 2006
Mr. Hoppe - Maybe you could call Mr. Postman back and explain in more detail the "mis-quotes" (lies) of the DI and ask him to do a follow-up expose, including the DI linkage to the Reconstructionists and their ilk... Might be a Pulitzer in it for the first mainstream reporter to break it nationaly, hint, hint, hint...
RBH · 28 April 2006
Walter Brameld IV · 28 April 2006
It seems that the end is in sight. They keep sharpening the Wedge when they find that its edge isn't yet narrow enough to work its way into public education. But surely the 'just criticize natural selection' approach is as narrow as it can get before it simply breaks. And to defeat it, all we have to do is insist that, if evolution must be criticized, then the criticisms must come from science itself. Since the creationists don't publish in the scientific literature, there's no contest.
Just Bob · 28 April 2006
And every other science should be criticized as well: astronomy, physics, geology, chemistry--everything. And for every one of those, there's a "scientific" group with "indisputable proof" (or sacred Truth) that their view of the world is correct. YECs alone are ready to take on nearly every branch of modern science, especially when mixed with some of their nuttier minions, like geocentrists, flat-Earthers, Carl Baugh, Kent Hovind, ad nauseum.
Torbjörn Larsson · 28 April 2006
We could not only insist that the criticisms come from science itself, but point out that this is already a part of all sciences. "Critical analysis" or "controversy" is a matter of business, done by experts, and done by _the_ experts. We could also point out that making a second and intrinsically worse arena for discussions that let pseudoscientific and nonsecular agendas in are contraproductive for real science.
RBH · 28 April 2006
Morgan-LynnLamberth · 28 April 2006
Lennie ,I am so proud o f you. To bad we disagree on theistic evolution .I think that natural selection is the designer ; no mind behind it is necessary.My teutonic verbiage got in the way.I have since been pelluccid ,rather than opaque in my comments.
k.e. · 28 April 2006
RBH
A proposal to test the truth, sucked into a black hole?
How un-Orwellian of you.
Next you will be suggesting an honesty in public administration and other such un-Fundamentally dangerous ideas, why they may even have to make lying legal just to get around it.
RBH · 28 April 2006
For Morgan-LynnLamberth's info, I deleted two duplicate comments.
RBH
steve s · 28 April 2006
Too bad you left one.
steve s · 28 April 2006
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
I think I have a groupie. :)
Send photo, please.
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
Leigh Jackson · 28 April 2006
steve s · 28 April 2006
I've wondered for a while what the creationists were going to do once ID was obliterated. I thought it wouldn't do to change their name and try again. Too transparent, too doomed. From the looks of that Seattle Times article it looks like some creationists are recognizing that too. I guessed that they'd come up with a True Christian Science summer school program affiliated with churches and featuring the ID bullcrap, but I don't think that's satisfactory. Not enough people go to church. ID was supposed to be this great way to force christianity on the rest of us, not just people who are active in churches.
I think they have no choice but to aim for a constitutional amendment to tear down separation of church and state.
steve s · 28 April 2006
Pizza Woman · 28 April 2006
Leigh Jackson · 28 April 2006
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
steve s · 28 April 2006
To Leigh and Lenny:
Yeah, I don't think there's much chance of it working, but what else can they do. I even started an AtBC to brainstorm what you'd do if you were a fundy planning the next move. Nobody had any ideas really.
I do think they have one shot, though. There are now 4 conservative catholics on the supreme court. If they get one more, they can interpret separation of church and state right out of existence. John Paul Stevens is 86...
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
RBH · 28 April 2006
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
Henry J · 28 April 2006
Re "Crowther apparently forgot [...]"
Tabula Rasa... Tabula Rasa... Tabula Ras...
What was I saying?
Henry
Andrew McClure · 28 April 2006
Why bother with a consitutional amendment when you can just gradually pack the supreme court?
Andrew McClure · 28 April 2006
Wait a minute... it appears I failed to read the entire thread before responding. Whoops.
Brian McEnnis · 28 April 2006
Torbjörn Larsson · 29 April 2006
"We did that in Ohio."
I see. But I was thinking nationally - perhaps there will be a difference when not adressing a group with a preset agenda.
As RBH hints, "critical analysis" may still be pushed. (Though for example Behe now seems to openly state that christian views should take precedence over scientific facts.) It would be nice to prevent that by revealing their pretense of no internal scientific criticism.
Leigh Jackson · 29 April 2006
Thinking aloud about where creationists go now. Could they really try to go down the theistic evolution route? TE is where they filched their ID clothes (cheap tuxedo) from in the first place. The Roman Catholic Church has been claiming the transparent design evident in nature for a long time; Behe pushed the boat out from the shores of RC theology in the direction of "scientific" creationism.
The RCC claims that TE is compatible with ToE. They also claim that God created the human soul in a zappy kind of way once the human body had evolved. Two different orders of miracle, one instantaneous and the other more zzz than zap. Anyway, this is all supposed to be compatible with science.
So is there any scientist anywhere who says that the human soul (the human mind) has not evolved along with the brain? Is there a neuroscientific Behe out there, prepared to go public and say that there are scientific grounds for claiming that the mind, which is clearly an evolved function of an evolved brain, is not the soul?
If so the RCC would be as interested as the American creationist camp. Pure speculation but there would appear to be a natural alliance between the two camps in such a scenario.
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 29 April 2006
Ron Okimoto · 29 April 2006
What happened to Leonard?
Did he ever form a legitimate committee?
Did he get his degree?
Did he have University OK to subject his students to what can be construed as mind control false propaganda for his thesis research? Did he fill out the human subject research forms to get permission to use his students as test subjects? What did he put in the applications and forms? Did he require parent permission to experiment on their children? Did he have his lesson plan OK'd? What guidelines did his department have, and what were the limits for what he could subject his students to in the name of educational experimentation?
What is happening to Leonard?
Brian McEnnis · 29 April 2006
Ron Okimoto · 29 April 2006
Even though it may be embarassing to a major University, it has been long enough for some type of resolution in this case.
Brian McEnnis · 29 April 2006
steve s · 30 April 2006
Ron Okimoto · 30 April 2006
If this is resolution, it sounds like a case for the Thomas More center. It sounds like they made Leonard walk away from his degree if he isn't listed as a student any longer. I wonder if they offered him the chance to start over and get all his ducks in a row.
Anton Mates · 30 April 2006
Anton Mates · 30 April 2006
I would love to see this case actually go to court, though. Maybe the DI can encourage Leonard? They were so indignant concerning this egregious violation of his academic freedom, after all.
Ron Okimoto · 30 April 2006
I don't know if he would lose horribly. He could sue his thesis advisor and his committee members for leading him or allowing him to run down the garden path to bogousity. Someone could have said stop, someone could have looked at what he was trying to teach and asked some simple questions and tried to verify the material. Leonard was supposed to be a student. He was supposed to have advisors and mentors. Ohio State can't shirk that responsibility.
Anton Mates · 30 April 2006
Yeah, but as I understand it, he was going to sue the professors who blew the whistle on him, and possibly the university for making him change his committee. AFAIK he had no plans to admit that his "study" was a bad idea in the first place.
Remember, this is the guy who co-wrote the Creationist lesson plan for the Board, and he was teaching ID at the high school level independently of anything to do with OSU. He's far too intimately involved with the ID agenda to turn on it at this point and pretend to be a naive student even if he wanted to.
Shalini · 4 May 2006
"I am shocked that the Discovery Institute would use quotes out of context!"
They're just lying for God (er...I meant the Intelligent Designer).
RBH · 4 May 2006
Ron Okimoto · 6 May 2006
My assertion that Leonard might have a case would be predicated on the assumption that he was an innocent dupe. It has been established that ID the way that the ID scam artists were pushing it was just a dishonest political ploy, but that doesn't mean that some people were not fooled by the scam. If Leonard was an unwitting participant and really believed the junk in the ID/creationist scam material, and wasn't part of the scam group that was using ID as the Wedge, he could have recourse against his committee that should have known better.
If his committee claims that they were also scammed by the ID/creationist propaganda the University would still lose. Incompetence would play into Leonard's favor. If some or all of the committee members were demonstrated to be part of the ID Wedge creationist scam the University would certainly lose as long as Leonard was an innocent dupe. Not only that, but Leonard was allowed to assemble an improperly organized committee (or worse the committe was chosen for him by his thesis advisor or some other University person). So if his committee pleads incompetence or ignorance he wins even if he can't prove that they were in on some type of ID scam.
Just because Leonard believed the ID junk doesn't mean that he wasn't an innocent dupe. He may really have been ignorant or incompetent enough to not know any better. The University would have to prove that Leonard knew that what he was doing was bogus in order to have a good chance of winning such a suit. Students come to the University to learn, not to be manipulated into doing stupid things.