Please remind me again how ID explains these observations? Poof...?The standard genetic code, by which most organisms translate genetic material into protein metabolism, is non-randomly organized. The Error Minimization hypothesis interprets this non-randomness as an adaptation, proposing that natural selection produced a pattern of codon assignments that buffers genomes against the impact of mutations. Indeed, on the average any given point mutation has a lesser effect on the chemical properties of the utilized amino acid than expected by chance. Might it also, however, be the case that the non-random nature of the code effects the rate of adaptive evolution? To investigate this, here we develop population genetic simulations to test the rate of adaptive gene evolution under different genetic codes. We identify two independent properties of a genetic code that profoundly influence the speed of adaptive evolution. Noting that the standard genetic code exhibits both, we offer a new insight into the effects of the ''error minimizing'' code: such a code enhances the efï¬cacy of adaptive sequence evolution.
The standard genetic code enhances adaptive evolution of proteins
Recent research on the origins and evolution of the genetic code have shown how "The standard genetic code enhances adaptive evolution of proteins" in a paper by Wen Zhu, Stephen Freeland, Journal of Theoretical Biology 239 (2006) 63--70
Not only is the genetic code 'optimal' in the sense that the effects of point mutations or mistranslations on the phenotype are minimized, a property which seems to argue for stasis, but the genetic code also speeds up the rate of adaptive evolution, a property which seems to argue for rapid change.
Again we see how the concept of robustness and evolvability are intricately linked in the genetic code.
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PvM · 17 April 2006
Bob O'H · 17 April 2006
"All's for the best in the best of all possible worlds"
Bob
BC · 18 April 2006
I suppose someone could argue that God designed the DNA->amino acid transcription for best evolvability. Of course, this would undercut arguments that God needs to miraculously insert genes at various points in history (why make a code that favors evolution if everything is just zapped into existence anyway?) I also wonder if perhaps there were a large number of different transcription systems, but the organisms with the bad versions died out (they weren't capable of keeping up with the faster evolution and error minimizing of the better transcription systems). And, yes, there are some variants on the transcription systems (used by bacteria). It seems unlikely that the transcription system could evolve - since an organism probably had a fair number of genes that would break with any minor change to the transcription system.
Konrad Crist · 18 April 2006
"Poof?..." [insert mutation] "Proof!..."
ID wins. Isn't it supposed to be that easy?
Ron Okimoto · 18 April 2006
It should also be mentioned that the genetic code has signs that it evolved and isn't just optimally designed. Just look at Asn-Asp and Gln-Glu tRNAs and their codon sequence with an understanding of charging proteins and the likely-hood of evolving similar shaped active sites and similar anti-codons. The code looks like a lot of things were tried, but we have the results of what eventually emerged.
Joe G · 18 April 2006
How do random, blind and purpose-less processes explain these observations?
I would say that ID explains this as "built-in responses to environmental cues".
Jim Wynne · 18 April 2006
Jon Fleming · 18 April 2006
Bruce Thompson GQ · 18 April 2006
Rich · 18 April 2006
"Not only is the genetic code 'optimal'"
A gem from the qoute mine!
PvM · 18 April 2006
chunkdz · 18 April 2006
Please remind me again how a built-in error correction algorithm explains it's own origin by NS?
Anton Mates · 18 April 2006
PvM · 18 April 2006
harold · 18 April 2006
Joe G wrote -
"I would say that ID explains this as "built-in responses to environmental cues"."
This isn't ID.
You're saying that organisms were "designed to evolve" at some very early stage of life. I don't agree with that, because it's a needless magical explanation for things that don't necessarily need magical explanations, but it isn't ID either.
ID doesn't say that organisms evolved because God made them very good at evolving. It says that certain major features of organisms, like the flagella of bacteria, couldn't possibly have evolved and were magically "designed", and that certain features of living cells show the same kind of obvious "evidence of design" that Mt Rushmore does. That's what ID says. That's what they said in Dover. They used so many pictures of bacterial flagella that the crowd in the courtroom started laughing.
The obvious question is, why design organisms to change with the environment? Why not design the environment too? And if you're going to say that God set things off from some starting point with the intention that humans would evolve, a view which is not in conflict with science, why not just say that? Why argue against the evidence that God pins flagella on bacteria?
Tyrannosaurus · 18 April 2006
Joe G stated;
I would say that ID explains this as "built-in responses to environmental cues".
Well, well let's see this statement more closely. Could you please tell me the difference between your "built-in responses to environmental cues" and adaptation and selection?
Just in case go back and for once read about a subject that obviously you know nothing about. On the other hand keep on opening your mouth and inserting your foot in it, is so much fun :)
William E Emba · 18 April 2006
So the same question arose: why design DNA to optimally evolve?
Steviepinhead · 18 April 2006
This is a taut thread: not only do most of the commentators back up their assertions with links to data but, along the way, we receive free entertainment.
It's like a front row ticket to batting practice before the All-Star Home Run Hitting Contest:
Joe G? Blam! Out of the park!
chunkdz? KaPow! It's going, going, gone, over the wall in deep centerfield!
(...and all without that annoying, insulting, and off-putting sarcastic tone that occasionally mars the efforts of certain lesser commentators (like, well, yours truly...))
Bruce Thompson GQ · 18 April 2006
Title: Do universal codon-usage patterns minimize the effects of mutation and translation error?
Observation: The genetic code is arranged in a way that minimizes errors, defined as the sum of the differences in amino-acid properties caused by single-base changes from each codon to each other codon.
Question: How do random, blind and purpose-less processes explain these observations?
Hypothesis:
Experiment:
Conclusion: Joe G on ID: I would say that ID explains this as "built-in responses to environmental cues".
Couple of steps missing here, something doesn't smell right this afternoon.
Delta Pi Gamma (Scientia et Fermentum)
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 18 April 2006
BlastfromthePast · 18 April 2006
PvM · 18 April 2006
Anton Mates · 19 April 2006
W. Kevin Vicklund · 19 April 2006
Couldn't even make it a month before coming back, eh blast? That's all right, there's still a seat at the table for you over at the Mutation thread (go to the Archives, look for February 13). As I recall, you left the insinuation that the Chlorella in question might be a misclassified Scenedemus(sp?) on the way out the door.
harold · 19 April 2006
William Emba -
"So the same question arose: why design DNA to optimally evolve?"
Although I am something of a theistic evolution proponent, very broadly defined, I really oppose invoking magic for natural phenomenae. The more logical conclusion is that the features in question themselves evolved through variation and natural selection, at a very early stage of life. As Anton Mates said above "A transcription system with a superior built-in error correction algorithm outperforms a transcription system with a crappy one. Organisms with the former therefore outcompete those with the latter. Next!" I would substitute more neutral terms for "superior" or "crappy".
And there is evidence to support this. Forgive me for not giving a reference (someone will come up with one, I'm sure), but there are species of lake fish which live in extremely unstable environments. In these environments, conditions change so fast that having more variable offspring increases the odds of offspring living to reproduce. Hence, a slightly higher rate of germline mutation than would be ideal in more stable situations has been selected for.
Blastfromthepast
I am glad to see that you have abandoned ID (I refer to flawed science and/or philosophy, not your religion, of course).
You say "The correct formulation of the question should be: "Why design DNA to optimally adapt?" Then the answer is obvious: so that organisms can survive when environments change."
This is a strong denial of ID.
You're saying that organisms were "designed to evolve" at some very early stage of life. I don't agree with that, because it's a needless magical explanation for things that don't necessarily need magical explanations, but it isn't ID either. In fact, the whole concept of ID is useless if you acknowledge that major features of organisms can evolve, and that's true even if they were "meant to" evolve by a higher power.
ID doesn't say that organisms evolved because God made them very good at evolving. It says that certain major features of organisms, like the flagella of bacteria, couldn't possibly have evolved and were magically "designed", and that certain features of living cells show the same kind of obvious "evidence of design" that Mt Rushmore does. That's what ID says. That's what they said in Dover. They used so many pictures of bacterial flagella that the crowd in the courtroom started laughing.
The obvious question is, why design organisms to change with the environment? Why not design the environment too? And if you're going to say that God set things off from some starting point with the intention that humans would evolve, a view which is not in conflict with science, why not just say that?
Kon · 26 April 2006
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