Now it is later and I present: Erik Tellgren, freshly returned from a trip, who has combined the results for random search and the work by Gavrilet to showIt should not come as a surprise that the "No Free Lunch Theorems" have more unfortunate surprises in store for Intelligent Design. More on that later...
— PvM
Concluding that:The original NFL theorem and rugged fitness landscapes are briefly reviewed and it is pointed out that the assumptions behind the former lead to the latter type of fitness landscape. Furthermore, it is stressed that for these fitness landscapes, the absolute performance of evolution is not prohibitively bad, that high-fitness regions tend to be well-connected, and that the difficulty of finding high-fitness regions does not increase with the size of the search space. (PDF format.)
— Tellgren
Read more at TalkReason:Free Noodle SoupTo summarize, the implications of the assumption of a randomly chosen fitness function do not just include Wolpert and Macready's NFL result, but also the results
— TellgrenMore metaphorically, the NFL scenario may deny biological evolution a free lunch, but once the lunch break is over it hands evolution a large free bowl of noodle soup. Acknowledgement:
that the absolute performance of any search for high-fitness genotypes is fairly good and, importantly, independent of the size of the genotype space, and the set of high-fitness genotypes is well-connected and the connectedness ncreases with increasing dimensionality of the genotype space.
30 Comments
Henry J · 12 July 2006
Noodle soup? Interesting choice of menu there. :)
Torbjörn Larsson · 12 July 2006
I didn't understand how Tellgren could assume that "the values of the function f at different points are chosen independently of each other" without having a discrete fitness problem.
Indeed, he refers to "C. A. Macken, P. S. Hagan, and A. S. Perelson. Evolutionary walks on rugged landscapes. SIAM Journal on Applied Mathematics, 51(3):799---827,
June 1991." which says in the abstract:
"It is assumed that a fitness can be assigned to each sequence in ${\bf S}$; for the immune response the fitness is just the chemical affinity of the antibody for the immunizing antigen." He is looking at problems with discrete searches.
Is the worst case random scenario realistic? What prevents the affinity to vary gradually as the amino acid sequence varies at the active site(s) of an antibody? (At least several antibodies have response to the same antigen. Not the same, but compelling.)
E. Tellgren · 12 July 2006
Tom English · 12 July 2006
Erik,
Very interesting. I think you might want to say explicitly what topology of the space of genotypes you assume. I gather from the references that it is an n-cube. Perhaps it would help to explain the Swiss cheese and the noodle soup in terms of the n-cube.
PvM · 12 July 2006
Hi Tom,
Your website tomenglishproject.com has been offline to me for a while. Are you planning on hosting your research somewhere?
Torbjörn Larsson · 12 July 2006
"I guess I could have been clearer on this."
Oh, I don't know if that was really neccessary.
I'm just not used to these problems, not being a biologist and all, so if I have seen a discrete problem (probably) I had completely forgotten. A few seconds collision between the statement of "independent" and my assumption of "continuous" generated a new view on what fitness problems should be in a larger context.
That is one kind of learning where the result sticks.
Caledonian · 12 July 2006
The bowl of noodle soup is of course the body and blood of our Lord and Savior, the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Ramen!
Tom English · 12 July 2006
On further thought, the results in the paper really surprise me. Almost all fitness functions are Kolmogorov random or nearly so, and I would have expected the typical set of good genotypes to look more like alphabet soup with a few noodles thrown in than ramen.
Of course, Bill Dembski evades all of this by changing from a uniform distribution on the set of all fitness functions (No Free Lunch) to a distribution on a set of "needle in a haystack" functions ("Searching Large Spaces").
P.S. PvM, I didn't think anyone would miss my site. I'll see what I can do to get another up.
PvM · 13 July 2006
Tom,
If you want to host your files and papers, I am sure that sites like talkreason or talkdesign may be more than willing to host them. They are very relevant and interesting reading although they do often reach a level of mathematics which exceeds my level of understanding.
PvM · 13 July 2006
hehe · 13 July 2006
Gavrilets (not "Gavrilet") has a great site at http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gavrila
Tom English · 13 July 2006
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fnxtr · 14 July 2006
Okay, this is getting silly. I can't be the only one that thinks that arguing against thousands of scientist-years of empirical analysis with theoretical math is just absolute bullshit.
Henry J · 14 July 2006
What's all the stuff about search spaces, anyway? A species doesn't go off searching space, it only checks the regions immediately adjacent to where it is already. If it does better in one of the adjacent regions it extends that way (perhaps like an amoeba). If in part of the already occupied "territory" it does less well, it recedes from there. (If the receding catches up with the extending, it goes extinct.)
Glen Davidson · 14 July 2006
fnxtr · 14 July 2006
"Right, director, stop this equation right now, it's silly. It started off as a nice little equation about probability, but now it's just got silly. Director, on the word cut - WAIT FOR IT! - we'll go to some actual science. And.... CUT!"
Henry J · 14 July 2006
Re "It started off as a nice little equation about probability,"
Probability (organism being other than slightly different than its parent or a recombination of its parents) = very low.
Is that the equation? :)
E. Tellgren · 14 July 2006
Anton Mates · 15 July 2006
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Tom English · 15 July 2006
Tom English · 15 July 2006
Anton Mates · 16 July 2006
fnxtr · 16 July 2006
Could someone with a firmer grasp of these algorithms please explain in layman's terms whether Demski's modelling includes the reality of the constantly fluctuating local maxima and minima in the real world, things like climate (seasonal weather and long term changes) and a dynamic ecosystem (food supply, predation, competition, disease), catastrophes....
The determinist school really doesn't get that in the natural world there are no goals. Including survival. Survival is not a goal, it's a result of a successful variation. No teleology involved. At all.
Tom English · 16 July 2006
steve s · 16 July 2006
While Dembski claims that he has no interest in publishing papers in mainstream journals, I bet he tried to, in the beginning. I would love to see the peer-review comments on those things.