Council of Europe resolution sure to spark interest in intelligent design

I wonder if the DI is going to sue Harun Yahya for plagiarism.

Well, I am sure that between the two of them they can sell books to eachother

I hear it has all kinds of pretty pictures in it, perhaps from the album of the evolutiondeceit Yahoo group. It may keep her occupied for some time, and she will come out drooling about how beauty in nature proves Creation.

Can't wait for the review.

I have ordered a copy of Harun Yahya’s Atlas of Creation, which (some say) has got the Council’s shirts in a knot, and will tell you what I think after I have read it.

Fossils are the most important evidence of the details of prehistoric life. From various regions of the world, hundreds of millions of fossils have been obtained, and they provide a window into the history and structure of life on Earth. Millions of fossils indicate that species appeared suddenly, fully-formed and with their complex structures, and have undergone no changes in the millions of years since. This is significant proof that life was brought into existence out of nothing--in other words that it was created. Not a single fossil suggests that living things formed gradually, in other words that they evolved. The fossil specimens that evolutionists maintain as "intermediate fossils" are few in number, and the invalidity of these has been scientifically proven. At the same time, some of the specimens depicted as intermediate fossils have actually been revealed as fakes, demonstrating that Darwinists are in such a state of despair as to resort to fraud. For the last 150 years or so, fossils from excavations carried out all over the world prove that fish have always been fish, insects have always been insects, birds have always been birds and reptiles have always been reptiles. Not one single fossil has pointed to any transition between living species--in other words, from fish to amphibian or from reptile to bird. In short, the fossil record has definitively demolished the theory of evolution's basic claim, that species descended from one another by undergoing changes over long periods of time.

You mean Denyse didn't get her own complimentary copy in the mail during that earlier mass distribution? How sad that she didn't make the list. I guess that shows us how the Discovery Institute and its apologists rank in the eyes of Turkish creationists.

Any chance that her review will point out what a pack of lies that is? And that’s just two paragraphs.

Having seen Denyse's review of ID, it seems fair to conclude that she lacks much in scientific understanding.

As you read it, be prepared for many, many factual errors. With the "Makapansgat pebble" they go beyond factual error into photographic enhancement. It makes me wonder about the rest of the photos and text.

Not that I needed a reason to wonder.

Cheers,
Jeff

You’re so silly like that, Poppers…

I hope she paid market price for that thing, and shipping.

I got a free one. I'm worried about it putting a hole in the floor.

Zeno: You mean Denyse didn't get her own complimentary copy in the mail during that earlier mass distribution? How sad that she didn't make the list. I guess that shows us how the Discovery Institute and its apologists rank in the eyes of Turkish creationists.

"Intelligent Design" Is Another of Satan's Distractions In rejecting one false claim such as evolution, one must be very careful not to fall prey to another of Satan's snares. One of Satan's main objectives is to prevent the recognition of Allah by any means possible, and to cause people to ignore His remembrance. There are those whom Satan has not been able to deceive with the concept of evolution. But if he can divert them in another direction, such as that of "intelligent design" he will again have achieved his end, in turning people away from remembering Allah. ... To say, "If there is no evolution, then there is intelligent design" is nothing less than adopting yet another false idol to replace the one of evolution."

Seems that Denyse is quite forthcoming about Intelligent Design being nothing more than Creationism. Seems that the Council was right after all.

Having seen Denyse's review of ID, it seems fair to conclude that she lacks much in scientific understanding.

Seems that Denyse is quite forthcoming about Intelligent Design being nothing more than Creationism.

— PvM

I see the new code has the same bug of not showing all posts as the old code.

Just like Darwinism is nothing more than atheism masked as science. Seems that Darwin-skeptics were right after all.

wikipedia: The SRF [Harun Yahya's organisation] also spearheaded an effort to attack Turkish academics who taught evolutionary theory. A number of academics were harassed, threatened and slandered in fliers that labeled them "communists, separatists and Maoists" for teaching evolution[citation needed]. In 1999, six of the professors won a civil court case against the SRF for defamation and were awarded $6,000 each[citation needed]. The court decided that "a severe and unjust attack was perpetrated on the plaintiffs' personal rights, by listing the names of the scientists defending the theory of evolution and describing them as communists and separatists on the flyers distributed by the foundation."[citation needed] Professor Amit Sayan summed up the effect of the SRF's campaign when, in 2005, he said: In 1998, I was able to motivate six members of the Turkish Academy of Sciences to speak out against the creationist movement. Today, it's impossible to motivate anyone. They're afraid they'll be attacked by the radical Islamists and the BAV[citation needed]. (BAV is Turkish for SRF.)

"...it seems fair to conclude that she lacks much in scientific understanding."

The beginning of scientific understanding is to know the difference between science and apologetics. Sadly, not all achieve this level of wisdom.

Looks like being an evolutionary biologist in Turkey, where Harun Yahya has a lot of influence is getting dangerous. From Wikipedia, his organisation has been busy walking their talk and intimidating scientists into silence. IIRC they also managed to get some internet links with the west cut, whose crime was defending evolution and criticizing Islamofascists like Yahya.

— raven

Just like Darwinism is nothing more than atheism masked as science. Seems that Darwin-skeptics were right after all.

from scientificamerican.com August 21, 2007 "Unbelievable -- it's now officially a trend. While we were busy breaking the story that Stuart Pivar is using the courts to pursue one of America's most-read science blogs, Harun Yahya (the pen name of Adnan Oktar), Turkish millionaire and conspicuous creationist, managed to get all of Wordpress.com blocked in Turkey because of comments he didn't like that appeared on blogs hosted by that site. (Thanks for the tip, Adamant / Russel Seitz!) Wordpress.com is the fourth biggest blog hosting site on the internet, and is home to more than 1 million blogs. According to the founding developer of Wordpress, Matt Mullenweg, his site was doing more than 12 million pageviews a month in Turkey -- in other words, a large, thriving citizen-journalist community has been completely cut off because of the ego of a single wealthy creationist. Yahya / Oktar claims that some of what was said about him on Wordpress.com hosted blogs was slander. I don't know how the laws work in Turkey, but in the U.S., the procedure for addressing such claims differs somewhat from the tactics Yahya employed: getting the government to use its central firewall for censorship."

Just like Darwinism is nothing more than atheism masked as science. Seems that Darwin-skeptics were right after all.

the ID scam itself is no more classic creationism

Looks like being an evolutionary biologist in Turkey, where Harun Yahya has a lot of influence is getting dangerous.

O’Leary has an opportunity to buck the trend, but my guess that her prior commitment to pseudoscience will prevent her from doing the right thing in the eyes of most mainstream conservatives.

Just like Darwinism is nothing more than atheism masked as science.

I predict that there will be some circularity in your reply:

"denouncing abiogenesis" - as a science. We don't know how it happened yet, of course.

Seems that Denyse is quite forthcoming about Intelligent Design being nothing more than Creationism. Seems that the Council was right after all.

Seems that Mats has absolutely nothing substantive to contribute -- as usual.

Tell us, Mats, what you know of Harun Yahya. Tell us about his qualifications, and his output, as a scientist. Oh wait, he's not a scientist, he's an interior designer. Tell us how you feel about his followers' threatening physical violence against professors who try to teach evolution. Do you agree with such tactics? Does Denyse?