World ends tomorrow!

In South Africa there is also a nut case who preaches that the world will end tomorrow. What will the poor bugger say when he wakes op on Sunday morning and all is well? As I recall, the man who founded the Seventh Day Adventist Church discovered inescapable evidence in the Bible that the world was going to end on a certain date. That date came and, embarrassingly, went. Then he popped up with an explanation: it was because Christians attended church on Sundays instead of Saturdays as they were instructed in the Bible. Well, that must have come as huge relief to his followers: the probability that they will ever persuade all the Christians in the world to change their weekly day of devotions is so dim that they can confidently borrow money on their houses and buy cars and take out life insurance.

I'm amused and annoyed with these latter day soothsayers. Those I've seen "warning" unlucky souls like yours truly in New York City, I have observed quite simply that I am looking forward to meeting with my "saviour", the Bringer of Light himself, Lucifer.

I believe Sunday the 22nd, is International Egg on your Face day and also, Sorry I was being an idiot day.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Well, come late on Saturday the Pandas from DownUnda will have to post here to let us know if they're still around.

mrg said: Well, come late on Saturday the Pandas from DownUnda will have to post here to let us know if they're still around.

I learned last night that there are a large number of people in the Los Angeles area going around collecting clothes to set out at various places such as park benches, cars, elevators, etc. Pretty funny.

It's a great excuse for a party, however.

Don Luigi said: In South Africa there is also a nut case who preaches that the world will end tomorrow. What will the poor bugger say when he wakes op on Sunday morning and all is well?

Actually, the time is 4-6 Eastern time zone when everything goes down.

…"starting in the Pacific Rim at around the 6 p.m. local time hour, in each time zone, there will be a great earthquake, such as has never been in the history of the Earth," he says...

Gosh, I don't suppose the child protection people can intervene in a case like that, can they? I mean, it seems like you could make a case for reckless neglect, or something; have the courts freeze the college account so the parents can't blow it on mission-tripping, etc. Seems like the kids are the ones acting like adults in that family.

Ntrsvic said: Actually, the time is 4-6 Eastern time zone when everything goes down....because God has an East Coast Bias.

Yes, the world is coming to an end, again. And again. And again. The rapture industry is here to stay.

My humble prediction is that Harold Camping's followers will have a very brief crisis of faith on Sunday morning. Two minutes later, they'll just listen to the radio and wait for the guru to calculate another date. At no point will they feel silly or consider growing up and getting a life. This is a known bug of the human mind, unfortunately.

Oh, you people. You'd think the Y2K calamity had never happened. How soon we forget!

I keep wondering if Camping, who is 89, will die tomorrow....of purely natural causes, of course.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven? Nothing, of course, for the females. But if this comes to naught, can people get a refund for the money they've given to the "cause?"

DavidK said: Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven? Nothing, of course, for the females.

Rapture bombing.

eric said:

DavidK said: Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven? Nothing, of course, for the females.

The women get 1.39% of a man's attention instead of 100%. I'm sure many of them consider that an improvement.

Eamon Knight said: Gosh, I don't suppose the child protection people can intervene in a case like that, can they? I mean, it seems like you could make a case for reckless neglect, or something; have the courts freeze the college account so the parents can't blow it on mission-tripping, etc.

DavidK said: Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven?

So will Buffy tVS save the world from yet another apocalypse over the weekend? (She did that once a year, twice in some years, during the time for which we have documentation.)

Of course, this is far from the first time that some group of True Believers has predicted the end of the world. And what's fascinating is, their convictions are unaffected by the total failure of their predictions. They find some reason for the non-event plausible enough to buy into, and they carry on with their god-required duties. Usually they move the date up, according to some re-interpretation of scripture, or some other verses.

My favorite was the time when the group woke up, looked around, saw that nothing happened, consulted their bibles, and concluded that their own efforts in spreading the word had impressed their god so much, that he changed his mind. They took credit for averting their own prediction.

For me, this is impressive chutzpah. But for them, it's apparently life and death. They CAN'T be wrong, even when they are. So they aren't.

You guys are insane because I thought to remember that god himself said he not even he knows when the world is going to end so why would you think that man the one who ****** up this world will know when it will end.
But yes there is earth quakes crazy thin ever in 2011 but maybe the world is telling us something maybe gas oil is supposed to stay in the ground or
Cars were never supposed to be invented but who am I to say those things
So people who believe this madness should all go **** there selves.
Good by and good luck waking up on Sunday to go to church.

where's the proof

john said: where's the proof

Four hours to go, Kiribati! Good thing the Christian missionaries converted you. Don't worry about leaving your clothes behind - the Rapture lifts Adam and Eve's "Curse of the Magic Fruit", so you won't know you're naked.

Oh man, wouldn't it be great! All the holier than thou types will be gone and I can finally have some peace. Reason and logic will prevail. I will be able to get around town on Sunday without the usual traffic delays.

There is a downside though, no more fun with the Mormons and Jehovahs at the front door!

Tomorrow is my wife's birthday, so thanks to the loonies for the big party. We're celebrating by watching an Expelled-type mess known as "The Triumph of Design and the Demise of Darwin", put out in 2009 and featuring Phillip Johnson talking about ID, evolution, and, um, oh right, GOD. God, God, God. God everywhere, God in every argument, Goddity God, God, God.

Now tell us again Phillip how ID is not religion? If we survive tomorrow, that is.

eric said:

Ntrsvic said: Actually, the time is 4-6 Eastern time zone when everything goes down....because God has an East Coast Bias.

Actually, I think this loon has said that the earthquake will ripple around the world so that it happens at 6pm local time in every time zone. So, first on the chopping block is the pacific island nation of Kiribati, and the east coast of the U.S. will be one of the last places hit. Which means that when this buffoon waits for his clock to tick 6pm, he will have already been wrong for about 19 hours. God's real trick is going to be Hawaii. It actually lies north (not east) of Kiribati because our time zones are not straight north-south sections. So an earthquake traveling east-west around the earth will always hit Hawaii a day earlier than Kiribati. There is no way to finagle it so that both get hit at 6pm on the same calendar day: 6pm May 21st Kiribati time is the same time as 6 pm May 20th Hawaii time. Hear that Hawaii? You have just over 9 hours.

So sad that people out there don't know what the Bible says. What God says. For one thing the world does not end. When Jesus comes back after the 7 year tribulation children of God, those who believe and accepted His Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has eternal life & will reign 1000 years on earth. So sad that people only believe what they want to believe. What ever happen to finding the truth instead of listening to what others say or assuming you know it all. There is a heaven and a hell and hell is eternal suffering. But life will live on and heaven is the one I choose. The world is not ending but Jesus could come back any time. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow may never come. No one knows when their last day is on earth. But asking Jesus in your heart and trusting in Him guarantees life forever.

Tomorrow is my wife’s birthday, so thanks to the loonies for the big party.

JG said: So sad that people only believe what they want to believe.

For the record: there is no Heaven and there is no Hell. If there were, then God's a monster. God isn't a monster. God most likely isn't anything, but if God were a monster, it would be immoral to worship it.

The book of Revelations, so called, is the demented dyslalia of a crazy old man. Nobody knows who he was, or why anyone should believe a word of it. What parts of it can be deciphered refer to Jewish history and current events in the third quarter of the first century CE, cast in terms of apocalyptic Jewish writings, almost certainly Gnostic in nature. The fairly early date implied by this must have been the warrant for putting it into canon; there is no other. It's a semicoherent mish-mash of allusions to myth, politics, history, the Old Testament, folktales and nobody knows what else. It isn't real. It is supported by thin air, and hot air at that. It really is "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".

Naturally, being crazy, it exercises a sick fascination for some of the weirder Christian cults. The siren call of the irrational echoes down the centuries, and I suppose it always will. We humans can claim with justice that we've done better lately. So we have, but only by leaving our demons behind us.

So grow a spine, JG. Better yet, grow a brain. Stop cringing from the shadows in your own mind. Shine a light down there. I swear to you, as one who has come out from the darkness, you'll feel better.

Fear is not the beginning of wisdom, it is the end of it, the little death that happens again and again. Stop fearing. The great irony of human life is that fearing death is fearing nothing. Yes, nothing is unimaginable, and hence it is fearsome. But it is still nothing.

Karen S. said:

Tomorrow is my wife’s birthday, so thanks to the loonies for the big party.

A very happy birthday to your wife! Since the world will be in flames, don't forget the marshmallows.

Dave Luckett said: Fear is not the beginning of wisdom, it is the end of it, the little death that happens again and again.

JG, in the imortal words of Homer. J. Simpson, trying to explain to his wonderful wife why he no longer intends to go to church: "But Marge what if we're praying to the wrong god, we're just making him angrier."
JG hope you've got the right one, there are so many to choose from, best of luck.

JG said: So sad that people out there don't know what the Bible says. What God says. For one thing the world does not end. When Jesus comes back after the 7 year tribulation children of God, those who believe and accepted His Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has eternal life & will reign 1000 years on earth. So sad that people only believe what they want to believe. What ever happen to finding the truth instead of listening to what others say or assuming you know it all. There is a heaven and a hell and hell is eternal suffering. But life will live on and heaven is the one I choose. The world is not ending but Jesus could come back any time. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow may never come. No one knows when their last day is on earth. But asking Jesus in your heart and trusting in Him guarantees life forever.

Giles: "It's the end of the world."

Willow, Xander, Buffy, in unison: "Again?!"

JG said: "What ever happen to finding the truth instead of listening to what others say or assuming you know it all." -"For one thing the world does not end." -"There is a heaven and a hell and hell is eternal suffering." -"The world is not ending but Jesus could come back any time." -"But asking Jesus in your heart and trusting in Him guarantees life forever."

Maybe all the "true" Christians are just going to drink the poisoned kool-aid.

I hope they do.
I'm sick of them not believing in dinosaurs.

"starting in the Pacific Rim at around the 6 p.m"

15 minutes to go here.

all's quiet.

Though I did manage to convince someone to give me their paypal account and another account, since they weren't going to be needing them any more.

no kidding.

still haven't exactly decided what to do about that, but I did tell them I wouldn't do anything with the accounts until tomorrow...

I would like to know how anyone with even a nanogram of common sense, could believe in the Crapture (that is not a typo since the rapture is pure crap.)

I would like to know how anyone with even a nanogram of common sense, could believe in the Crapture (that is not a typo since the rapture is pure crap.)

well, I can't fathom it myself. You might try asking these folks:

http://www.raptureready.com/

Fair Warning: make sure you drink some calming tea or something before checking out their forum.

That site made my day. I learned that there are pre-Tribulationists, mid-Tribulationists and post-Tribulationists, profoundly at odds with each other. With only a little encouragement they could be at daggers drawn - literally. Wouldn't that be something to see?

In fact, the hell with calming tea. I so want the popcorn concession.

Dolphin said: So long, and thanks for all the fish.

There is no way to finagle it so that both get hit at 6pm on the same calendar day: 6pm May 21st Kiribati time is the same time as 6 pm May 20th Hawaii time.

Just past 6pm where I live in Adelaide, South Australia. Still alive all is well.

Dale Husband said:

JG said: So sad that people out there don't know what the Bible says. What God says. For one thing the world does not end. When Jesus comes back after the 7 year tribulation children of God, those who believe and accepted His Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has eternal life & will reign 1000 years on earth. So sad that people only believe what they want to believe. What ever happen to finding the truth instead of listening to what others say or assuming you know it all. There is a heaven and a hell and hell is eternal suffering. But life will live on and heaven is the one I choose. The world is not ending but Jesus could come back any time. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow may never come. No one knows when their last day is on earth. But asking Jesus in your heart and trusting in Him guarantees life forever.

When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God's kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves. Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let's assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD......he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

I livr in a small country in Europe and am still awaiting for the earth to shake,rattle and roll, nothing yet and I am on my fourth pint. Camping needs to extract his head from his ass and admit he is a fool as are his followers..

Ex Patriot said: I livr in a small country in Europe and am still awaiting for the earth to shake,rattle and roll, nothing yet and I am on my fourth pint. Camping needs to extract his head from his ass and admit he is a fool as are his followers..

Ummm.... Sorry, I slept in a little late this morning.

Did I miss the zombie apocalypse?

I'm on a location project in San Francisco and we're staying right off the Haight, so it's kinda tough to tell.

Interesting, SA. I saw "The Triumph of Design" long time ago (or it seemed that way.) Nice video actually.

If it's okay for the evolutionists at NCSE to persuade Christians for evolution, then it's okay for the ID supporters to persuade Christians for ID. Johnson's video is designed to speak to Christians, and help them see that there's something wrong with evolution and something right with ID.

***

Meanwhile, for those who are busy watching the clock, here's some reading material from last Christmas (when Camping started doing the billboards.)

http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/contra_mundum/2010-12-23/christmas_billboards_2_future_shock

FL

An infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of bibles will eventually predict the end of the world.

FL said: If it's okay for the evolutionists at NCSE to persuade Christians for evolution, then it's okay for the ID supporters to persuade Christians for ID.

Not quite ... an infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of bibles will predict the end of the world on every day of the lifetime of the Earth.

Leeanne said: Just past 6pm where I live in Adelaide, South Australia. Still alive all is well.

mrg said: Not quite ... an infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of bibles will predict the end of the world on every day of the lifetime of the Earth.

Ah, the joy of sects!

For the record: there is no Heaven and there is no Hell. If there were, then God’s a monster.

So tell me why God’s a monster if there’s a Heaven, yes?

FL said: So tell me why God's a monster if there's a Heaven, yes?

Ah, the joy of sects!

So, it's after 18:00 here and I haven't felt the earthquake so I must have been Raptured. I can tell you that Heaven looks pretty much like the Earth did, even down to that pile of paperwork I have been meaning to get round to...

Oh. Maybe this is Purgatory? Can you get Raptured to Purgatory, or am I mixing up my Christian sects?

rossum

...i've been going to hell before it got all trendy

One of the sad stories, but the animal control people have stopped it from happening:

Man plans to kill pets before rapture

It has pass midnight here and the world hasn't ended. Too bad.

FL denies responsibility for this comment, which was not sent from his usual IP address. -- Matt

Deja vu: A nice science fiction & fantasy story I read decades ago had it all covered: Various characters around the globe: shamans, voodoo priests and so on, all performing rites to save the world. And alas, the world was saved. They all took credit for that.

Say, who saved us this time? Who saved us in 1967? (http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=438). Won't be long before it happens again! When will they ever learn?

People like this give all of Christianity a bad name.
It's terrible to know that people are taking this so seriously, even at their kids expense.

If they handed me a Bible, I'd open it to up to Matt 24:36-
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Wonder how they'd explain that to me.

FL | May 21, 2011 1:31 PM | Reply It has pass midnight here and the world hasn’t ended. Too bad.

Ichthyic said: I would like to know how anyone with even a nanogram of common sense, could believe in the Crapture (that is not a typo since the rapture is pure crap.) well, I can't fathom it myself. You might try asking these folks: http://www.raptureready.com/ Fair Warning: make sure you drink some calming tea or something before checking out their forum.

You have been banned for the following reason: Dr. GH Date the ban will be lifted: Never

FL said: Meanwhile, for those who are busy watching the clock, here's some reading material from last Christmas (when Camping started doing the billboards.) FL

The world did end today for my cat Bluto, who finally lost his battle with bone cancer. Best cat I ever had, funny and friendly and smart. Hopefully he was raptured. But I am heartbroken.

Very sorry to hear that, Flint.

I think Camping should be on suicide watch! Truly a SICK man... Not to mention an IDIOT... But I'm sure he will burn in HELL for all his sins!

+Christen People

"joined by John Wilkins"

wait, Wilkins banned you??

this I gotta hear!

Spill!

...or do you mean Wilkins has become a creationist?

Flint said: The world did end today for my cat Bluto, who finally lost his battle with bone cancer. Best cat I ever had, funny and friendly and smart. Hopefully he was raptured. But I am heartbroken.

Yeah, I know. Bluto was happy to curl up next to me when I practiced acoustically, but as soon as he saw me turn on an amp, he walked out. He didn't even need to hear any of it.

Flint said: Yeah, I know. Bluto was happy to curl up next to me when I practiced acoustically, but as soon as he saw me turn on an amp, he walked out. He didn't even need to hear any of it.

Rolf Aalberg said: Say, who saved us this time? Who saved us in 1967?

stevaroni said: Anyhow, I'm happy to report that despite the fact that I used malbec instead of the traditional chianti, my sacrifice was successful, ...

Damn, why didn't somebody wake me! I missed the whole thing! And so, this is what the afterlife looks like!

FL is insufferable enough. Anyone else posting while pretending to be him should be banned from here.

Well, if heaven is populated by the likes of FL, BA77, Ann Coulter, the laothsome Phyllis Schlafly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and all the rest I'd rather spend eternity in hell chatting with PZM, Dawkins, Hitchens and co. I mean really, after the first week or so in heaven with that lot wouldn't you be yearning for the comforting embrace of Satan; I know I would:)

robert van bakel said: Well, if heaven is populated by the likes of FL, BA77, Ann Coulter, the laothsome Phyllis Schlafly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and all the rest ...

What a relief to hear that others have also been banned. I thought it was a terrible fate when Creation Ministries International CEO invited me to bugger off and never pose any more unanswerable questions.

One of the twentieth century British humourists said he should like - after death, of course - to go to Hell for the company but to Heaven for the climate.

Don Luigi said: One of the twentieth century British humourists said he should like - after death, of course - to go to Hell for the company but to Heaven for the climate.

TomS said: One of the sad stories, but the animal control people have stopped it from happening: Man plans to kill pets before rapture

Thanks ever so ta, old man. I stand humbly corrected. The principle stands, though.

Over here in South Africa there is also a great deal of hilarity about the end-of-the-world guru. Among the jokers are deeply committed Christians who like Blahblah above accept that the date and time of that event simply is not known.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs&feature=player_embedded

Jesus must have sold out... lame

don't worry, some of them can still pretend that this life is just a transition to an eternity granted only for them and their selfish souls.

I suspect one ploy that could be used was that the Rapture actually did happen, but it was a quiet affair.

The reaction would then be: "We were expecting something a bit more dramatic."

mrg said: I suspect one ploy that could be used was that the Rapture actually did happen, but it was a quiet affair. The reaction would then be: "We were expecting something a bit more dramatic."

rossum said: Don't the JWs already have the patent on that one from 1914? rossum

mrg said:

rossum said: Don't the JWs already have the patent on that one from 1914? rossum

Yeah, I heard a story along that line one time, the punchline being that one of the results was the formation of the Adventists from JW defectors: "The Lord shall return, but only when He damned well feels like it."

By golly, I'm still here! When is the next rapture scheduled?

Now what's the prescribed Old Testament treatment for FALSE PROPHETS?

Surely it also applies to those who actively seek to spread the word of such false prophets, by handing out tracts, putting up billboards, donating, etc.

mrg said: I suspect one ploy that could be used was that the Rapture actually did happen, but it was a quiet affair.

Jeremiah 29:8-9

"For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let the prophets and the diviners who are among you deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams that they dream, for it is a lie that they are prophesying to you in my name; I did not send them, says the Lord."

THE STATUE My child: one word of warning first. Let me complete my friend Lucifer's similitude of the classical concert. At every one of these concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. Well, there is the same thing in heaven. A number of people sit there in glory, not because they are happy, but because they think they owe it to their position to be in heaven. They are almost all English. THE DEVIL Yes: the Southerners give it up and join me just as you have done. But the English really do not seem to know when they are thoroughly miserable. An Englishman thinks he is moral when he is only uncomfortable. THE STATUE In short, my daughter, if you go to heaven without being naturally qualified for it, you will not enjoy yourself there.

There was plenty of joking in church this morning about this May 21 rapture. It got plenty of media attention. I wonder how many similar movements come and go that we never hear about?

So,

All the good people who *really* accepted Jesus' message (not neccesarily that of his PR team) left.

Anybody notice?

Rusty

FL said: Interesting, SA. I saw "The Triumph of Design" long time ago (or it seemed that way.) Nice video actually.

If it's okay for the evolutionists at NCSE to persuade Christians for evolution, then it's okay for the ID supporters to persuade Christians for ID.

Johnson's video is designed to speak to Christians, and help them see that there's something wrong with evolution and something right with ID.

Forgive the OT comment. As for the Rapture, I waiting all day in the sun, arms wide open, but no Jesus to be found. I haven’t been this disappointed by a disaster that never came since Y2K.

Karen S. said: There's another similar non-event scheduled for 2012, so stay tuned.

People need to be scared every once in a while. Some watch scary movies, some take scary rides, some jump out of airplanes and some follow end-time preachers.

Intelligent Designer looks like he said: People need to be stupid every once in a while. Some kids take joyrides in their parents' cars, and some follow end-time preachers.

Hello?

Hello?

Where is everyone? I feel like I'm lost in a Ray Bradbury story....Or maybe a Twilight Zone episode....

...

[plaintively] Hello? ...Hello?

The good news here is that (please forgive me if someone already said this) these kids now have a close up shot of how useless and injurious their parent's religion is. I can only imagine how much these kids will resent the religion that stole their sense of security and possibly their undergraduate educations. I can only hope that charlatans like Camping keep exposing the fact that the Bible is not useful for predicting anything.

Here is Camping’s “explanation.”

They'll learn nearly nothing, neither will their susceptible children. You can't convince people with information in a color other than the tone they want it to be in.

much like those who accept any number of conspiracy theories, the notion of random mistakes culminating is harder than the concept of 1 puppet master. Lacking the development to experience powerlessness, children when victimized, physically blame themselves; So too many a faithful insist Gods in his place. A world without his grand plan is inconceivable.

mental health takes flexibility; a capacity to accept reality on realities terms.
very little will change.

It’s certainly OK for ID supporters to toss their wares into the marketplace of ideas. It’d just be nice if they could represent their opponents accurately once in a while.

hell, even representing THEMSELVES accurately and honestly would be a start.

not ever going to happen, don't even bother hoping for it.

TomS said: Any guesses on what the explanation will be? Another overlooked factor which means that the real time will be in a few months. It really did happen, but it wasn't observable by ordinary means. Because of the faith of the true believers, God decided to give the world's sinners a little more time to reprent.

It did really happen, but in an invisible way.

So Camping says ""The rapture definitely took place, but there just wasn't a soul worth saving so it went unnoticed. The world will still end in October, as planned." I guess in October, the end of the world will definitely take place, but was a different world, or it ended "spiritually", or some such.

But as I predicted, these people are never wrong.

Flint said: So Camping says ""The rapture definitely took place, but there just wasn't a soul worth saving so it went unnoticed. The world will still end in October, as planned." I guess in October, the end of the world will definitely take place, but was a different world, or it ended "spiritually", or some such. But as I predicted, these people are never wrong.

J. Biggs said:

Flint said: So Camping says ""The rapture definitely took place, but there just wasn't a soul worth saving so it went unnoticed. The world will still end in October, as planned." I guess in October, the end of the world will definitely take place, but was a different world, or it ended "spiritually", or some such. But as I predicted, these people are never wrong.

I guess that means Camping's soul wasn't worth saving either. People like Camping really don't consider the logical consequences of their arguments do they?

There's a money angle to just about everything unfortunately.

The largely negative and acid comments here on religion show what harm fanatics (or plain idiots?) like Camping can do. It is true that religion, or rather a twisted version of religion, can make people do terrible things, like Roman Catholics and Protestants lovingly burning each other at the stake. However, one should not lose sight of the marvellous, inspiring actions of some deeply and truly religious people. Go read Corrie ten Boom's "The Hiding Place" if you want to see what I mean.

Don Luigi said: The largely negative and acid comments here on religion ...

Don Luigi said: ...one should not lose sight of the marvellous, inspiring actions of some deeply and truly religious people.

But tomorrow was three days ago and the world is still out there...

Dale Husband said:

JG said: So sad that people out there don't know what the Bible says. What God says. For one thing the world does not end. When Jesus comes back after the 7 year tribulation children of God, those who believe and accepted His Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has eternal life & will reign 1000 years on earth. So sad that people only believe what they want to believe. What ever happen to finding the truth instead of listening to what others say or assuming you know it all. There is a heaven and a hell and hell is eternal suffering. But life will live on and heaven is the one I choose. The world is not ending but Jesus could come back any time. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow may never come. No one knows when their last day is on earth. But asking Jesus in your heart and trusting in Him guarantees life forever.

When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God's kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves. Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let's assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD......he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

However, one should not lose sight of the marvellous, inspiring actions of some deeply and truly religious people. Go read Corrie ten Boom’s “The Hiding Place” if you want to see what I mean.

The news is reporting that there are people contemplating a class action lawsuit against Harold Camping.

These are people who were “induced” to quit jobs and sell everything.

So, if the end of the world is about to come, what is the purpose of quitting a job?

What do you do with the money you obtain by selling everything?

One has to wonder if such people could pull off a class action suit; but Camping certainly has money to spread around.

Henry burbled Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus’ record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus’ coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

henry said: Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus' record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus' coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God’s kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves. Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let’s assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD.…..he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

UNTESTABLE HYPOTHESIS: If this were a pre-literate society, people in parts of the Midwest and South, would, in a generation or so, be telling campfire stories about how their whole world (their village) was destroyed by the "mighty winds from God".

Give it 50 more generations, invent writing, and by then the tale would be about how God LITERALLY blew everyone and everything on the face of the world away many years ago (because they were WICKED), except for a few that were saved to repopulate the place.

Then several thousand years later, after most rational people had realized that the Worldwide Tornado story had no basis in evidence, and was mainly a campfire story to frighten people into obeying the priests, there would be literalists who would insist that the tornado scriptures were literally true.

And every few years some self-proclaimed prophet would discover that he could get lots of attention (and MONEY) from the faithful by declaring that God is ramping up to do it again, and this time go all the way. (But if you buy my Prophecy Video Series, you can go straight to Heaven and be spared being sucked inside out by the Tornado of the Apocalypse!)

Camping's re-interpretation of the events (or lack thereof) of May 21st reminds me of an old joke:

Perhaps you've heard of the man who thought he was dead?

In reality he was very much alive. His delusion became such a problem that his family finally paid for him to see a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist spent many laborious sessions trying to convince the man he was still alive. Nothing seemed to work. Finally the doctor tried one last approach. He took out his medical books and proceeded to show the patient that dead men don't bleed. After hours of tedious study, the patient seemed convinced that dead men don't bleed.

"Do you now agree that dead men don't bleed?" the doctor asked.

"Yes, I do," the patient replied.

"Very well, then," the doctor said. He took out a pin and pricked the patient's finger. Out came a trickle of blood. The doctor asked, "What does that tell you?"

"Oh my goodness!" the patient exclaimed as he stared incredulously at his finger...

"Dead men do bleed!"

Sorry for stepping on the punch line of your joke, but I would expect:

"That's not blood."

Not funny, but closer to what we get from creationists, etc.

Or how about: "That is blood, but it was put there by the Devil to deceive us."

Then again how about, "This is blood, but the clotting cascade could not have evolved."

Karen S. said: Then again how about, "This is blood, but the clotting cascade could not have evolved."

Dale Husband said:

henry said: Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus' record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus' coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

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When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God’s kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves. Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let’s assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD.…..he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

DEAL WITH THE FACTS!

http://americanvision.org/4545/before-harold-camping-there-was-chuck-smith/

Dale Husband said: DEAL WITH THE FACTS!