What passes for science at AIG

I guess there's one answer that's correct, which is that you can say "were you there." It's meaningless, and they weren't there "in Eden" either (yes, I know their circular reasoning that supposedly makes reading a myth answer all questions, but...), yet you can quote mindless questions in lieu of providing evidence.

'Do you have the "forensic evidence"' is my question. Because we do, and it's better than the eyewitness account that no one has.

Glen Davidson

The school administrator, relatively new as the head of the academy, was shocked to find her school becoming the target of atheist attacks and even some threats.

diogeneslamp0 said: This from Ken Ham's hysterical attack:

The school administrator, relatively new as the head of the academy, was shocked to find her school becoming the target of atheist attacks and even some threats.

Threats. Threats, he says. Wanna bet Ham is lying... again? If there are threats, we should demand they present evidence of these threats.

Glen Davidson said:

diogeneslamp0 said: This from Ken Ham's hysterical attack:

The school administrator, relatively new as the head of the academy, was shocked to find her school becoming the target of atheist attacks and even some threats.

Threats. Threats, he says. Wanna bet Ham is lying... again? If there are threats, we should demand they present evidence of these threats.

Well, they were probably "threats" of honest evaluations. Those do threaten what they say, after all.

Poe's law came to mind when I saw that quiz

Please can someone help. My knowledge of dinosaurs and their importance in my salvation is woefully incomplete.
PLEASE - what were to questions and answers to 8, 9 and 10??

AlanBagain

" As for me, I wonder why he is waiting so long."
assuming this quiz was administered in April, with less than 8 weeks +/- left in the school year - I can see the cost/benefit of finishing out the year

what infuriates me is that in some parts of the country - vouchers (public taxpayer money) could be used to pay for this "education"

-JasonMitchell

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkfz_ydidIaI_m6NKfKsDtTO1rKHmi8B-c said: Please can someone help. My knowledge of dinosaurs and their importance in my salvation is woefully incomplete. PLEASE - what were to questions and answers to 8, 9 and 10?? AlanBagain

Some suggestions for source materials:

History of the World part 1, by Mel Brooks.

The Flintstones.

Jurassic Park.

Tarzan the Ape Man.

Teaching Creationist dogmas as science is fraud, period. It should not be done even in a "Christian" school. Doesn't Christianity have teachings against lying?

If I recall correctly, such dismal eduational preparation was turned down in CA as fulfilling the science requirements for entering CA colleges. This should be far below the standard that colleges adopt for entry into their domains. And yes, some tax money is going towards this junk, that's what the religious right has been pushing regarding vouchers and tax incentives, etc.

As a science teacher, I have to add, besides the basic facts of the test- that's a really poorly designed test as well.

Q5: What did people and animals eat in the beginning?

Ans: Plants

So when did we humans start becomming omnivores? And what about all the carnivore animals?

DavidK said: Q5: What did people and animals eat in the beginning? Ans: Plants So when did we humans start becomming omnivores? And what about all the carnivore animals?

The YEC Fundies are out of their minds. The science test simply reflects their whacked out claims. In response, the evos are laughing uncontrollibly and at the same time saddened to see the minds of children being brainwashed by absolute nonsense.

Yet let's not lose sight of the fact that these same people, the YECs, accept conceptual existence of natural selection, microevolution, and macroevolution within (not between) created kinds.

RM (Old Earth, Paleyan IDist-species immutabilist)

You're on a streak, Ray! You'd be batting 1.000 if it weren't for the fact that the unspoken intent behind that second paragraph is that the things you enumerate are BAD things.

Please do not feed the Martinez troll. I will allow it 1 comment; further comments will be sent to the Bathroom Wall.

They have every right to substitute this crap for science in their private schools. I can't wait until the students go to public colleges and try to answer multiple choice questions on geology with religious nonsense.

Matt Young said: Please do not feed the Martinez troll. I will allow it 1 comment; further comments will be sent to the Bathroom Wall.

The only one answered correctly was, # 7.

I've heard of people going to the government when they're marked poorly for writing reports based on this nonsense in reputable universities, and succeeding in getting the marked changed (from a failing to passing grade).

The only one answered correctly was, # 7.

Why not just ban him completely? He never tells the truth and seems to exist only to spew hatred.

To make your Ark project authentic you will need a 900 year old with zero knowledge of boatbuilding and a maximum construction crew of 8, surely?

Matt Young said: While we are on the subject of AIG, an alert reader just sent me this straw man,

To make your Ark project authentic you will need a 900 year old with zero knowledge of boatbuilding and a maximum construction crew of 8, surely?

which AIG demolishes with its usual, um, aplomb.

lkeithlu said: So Noah hired lots of help, and when the rains began, let them drown?

Matt Young said: While we are on the subject of AIG, an alert reader just sent me this straw man,

To make your Ark project authentic you will need a 900 year old with zero knowledge of boatbuilding and a maximum construction crew of 8, surely?

which AIG demolishes with its usual, um, aplomb.

Matt Young said:

Why not just ban him completely? He never tells the truth and seems to exist only to spew hatred.

Not my decision. There are several trolls whom I would ban completely, rather than go to the bother of catching them and sending their dreck to the BW. But then they would cry "Censorship!" and create other problems. Besides, a lot of readers seem to enjoy beating their heads against the wall by engaging these trolls on the BW, and maybe their excrescences are instructive at times.

Ray Martinez said (originally): The YEC Fundies are out of their minds. The science test simply reflects their whacked out claims. In response, the evos are laughing uncontrollibly and at the same time saddened to see the minds of children being brainwashed by absolute nonsense. Yet let’s not lose sight of the fact that these same people, the YECs, accept conceptual existence of natural selection, microevolution, and macroevolution within (not between) created kinds.

lkeithlu said:

Matt Young said: While we are on the subject of AIG, an alert reader just sent me this straw man,

To make your Ark project authentic you will need a 900 year old with zero knowledge of boatbuilding and a maximum construction crew of 8, surely?

which AIG demolishes with its usual, um, aplomb.

So Noah hired lots of help, and when the rains began, let them drown?

Was able to visit the teachers and students at Blue Ridge Christian Academy in South Carolina on my way to the Honeschool Conference in Spartanburg today. This is the school the atheists viciously attacked because a teacher taught students biblical creation about Dinosaurs. What a beautiful school and what a delightful group of dedicated Christian teachers

So when did we humans start becomming omnivores?

And what about all the carnivore animals?

Noah had some help with that...http://shepren.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html

If #13 is taken as referring to a story in a book, then "Ark" would be the right answer.

On the one about average size of a dinosaur, I don't know if the answer given above is right or not, but they wouldn't have a motive for messing that one up on purpose.

lkeithlu said: So Noah hired lots of help, and when the rains began, let them drown?

Me: from an old thread.... I don’t know how many paintings and dioramas I’ve seen over the years that show a small army at work constructing the Ark. They’re cutting beams, hammering boards, running cranes and lofting scaffolding all over the place. Yet the Good Book is firm - the Ark sailed with a crew of 8, all of clan Noah. That means that Noah shut up the Ark and sailed away leaving his build crew - men, women and children that his family had worked beside for decades - to all drown. And it’s even worse than that. If Noah commanded the resources to employ a small army he was a man of great wealth. And Noah wasn’t just some rich guy hiring day labor. In the world of 4000BC there was no such thing as a distinction between wealth and political power because political capitol was wealth back in the day. If Noah was rich enough to have hundreds working for him he was some sort of political figure. At the very least the equivalent of a minor, regional, ruler of an area that could produce tens of thousands of board feet of lumber and the staff necessary to harvest it, and the agricultural wherewithal to feed all those people - again, no mean feat in an era of small-scale subsistence farming. Don't forget many modern countries struggle to build capitol ships for their navies. The world of 4000 BC was no exception. Noah's Boat took resources, the kind of resources that came with power. Noah was, effectively a regional prince, and he used his people to build him a giant boat. And then he sailed away in his boat and he left all his people to drown. He carefully took half a million different kinds of beetles, but he left all the babies. Because that was the right thing to do because, apparently, the babies were too evil to be worth saving.

Henry J said: If #13 is taken as referring to a story in a book, then "Ark" would be the right answer. On the one about average size of a dinosaur, I don't know if the answer given above is right or not, but they wouldn't have a motive for messing that one up on purpose.

As a result of the atheist attack on a Christian School because a teacher taught students biblical creation using an AiG DVD--we have seen an increasing rhetoric from those who oppose us that shows their agenda of wanting parental rights fo...r education taken away from the parents. They want to indoctrinate children in their anti-God philosophies. Christians do need to understand that the same tactics used to get abortion legalized, Gay marriage legalized more and more are being used in this continuing spiritual battle for the hearts and minds of people (and particularly the children). Here is an example of what one blogger wrote: "The atheist community rightly reacted to recent news about a science test from a Christian school… Ham needs to understand that many Americans think that the educating of children is part of the social contract we have with one another. We think that a parent does NOT have the right to deliberately cripple their child’s intellectual development. Religion is given too much latitude in this area. Here in Ohio the educational requirements for homeschooling or operating a religious school are laughable and as a result way too many religious parents and schools turn out students that are ignorant of most everything but the Bible." In case you didn't read the article about the Christian School see the link I've provided.

As a christian, I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is "anti-God philosophy"

Ian Derthal said: As a christian, I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is "anti-God philosophy"

Ian Derthal said: As a christian, I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is "anti-God philosophy"

Henry J said: If #13 is taken as referring to a story in a book, then "Ark" would be the right answer. On the one about average size of a dinosaur, I don't know if the answer given above is right or not, but they wouldn't have a motive for messing that one up on purpose.

Lagomorph said:

Henry J said: If #13 is taken as referring to a story in a book, then "Ark" would be the right answer. On the one about average size of a dinosaur, I don't know if the answer given above is right or not, but they wouldn't have a motive for messing that one up on purpose.

Leaving aside the parsing of the concept "the average size...was a sheep, here is the background. In his pseudoscience classic "Noah's Ark: a Feasibility Study", Woodmorappe claimed that the *median* size of a dinosaur was comparable to that of a sheep. Aside from the inherent uncertainty of such an assertion, the creationists' inability to understand the difference between *mean*, *median*, and *mode* has led to this statement becoming part of creationist dogma in its distorted sense. Or maybe before the flood, animal sizes were normally distributed. But, then again, I wasn't there.

And y'know, all those super-sized dinosaurs: just lump all of them into 2 or 3 "kinds". One pair of the big long-neck kind, one of the toothy 2-leggers, maybe a pair of the ones like rhinos. See, they'll fit easily. Then after the flood they can instantly evolve diversify into all the dinosaur species (and the few mammal "kinds" can sprout all the prehistoric mammal megafauna), then a century or so later, they can all go extinct. Umm, so why did Noah have to go to all that trouble to save them, if their immediate future read 'extinction'?

Matt Young said: While we are on the subject of AIG, an alert reader just sent me this straw man,

To make your Ark project authentic you will need a 900 year old with zero knowledge of boatbuilding and a maximum construction crew of 8, surely?

which AIG demolishes with its usual, um, aplomb.

Mark Sturtevant said:

I've heard of people going to the government when they're marked poorly for writing reports based on this nonsense in reputable universities, and succeeding in getting the marked changed (from a failing to passing grade).

That seems unlikely if it happened at a science (and not humanities) department at a public university. I do not mean to dis the humanities. It can be valid to expound upon religious and pseudoscience views there.

Never underestimate the spinelessness of a university.

A friend (biology professor at a well-respected state college) suspected that a pre-med student was altering his test responses after the marked test had been returned to him and would then request credit for the "erroneous" marking. The next time the student requested an upgrade, my friend was ready with a xerox of the original test. He failed the student for cheating. The student sued him and the university, and the university declined to defend the case. Nor would it pay for his lawyer : if he wanted to fail the student, he would have to pay for his own defense.

Somewhere in the USA, that student is now practicing medicine :o

Ray Martinez said:

Ian Derthal said: As a christian [sic], I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is "anti-God philosophy"

Well, we can test the anti-God philosophy claim made by certain Christians. Do Atheists support, defend, and promote said science? The answer is: yes, of course; science uses Naturalism interpretive philosophy to explain all evidence; said philosophy begins with the assumption that the supernatural is absent from reality; said assumption is pro-Atheism; therefore said science must be anti-Bible, anti-God, and anti-Christian. The anti-God philosophy claim tests true.

Ray Martinez said:

Ian Derthal said: As a christian [sic], I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is "anti-God philosophy"

Well, we can test the anti-God philosophy claim made by certain Christians. Do Atheists support, defend, and promote said science? The answer is: yes, of course; science uses Naturalism interpretive philosophy to explain all evidence...

Ray,

Have you ever flown in an airplane? You do know that the engineers that designed the plane didn't include god anywhere in their equations don't you Ray? And guess what, the plane still works! That's what really gets you doesn't it Ray, the fact that nobody seems to need your god as an explanation to do anything? That and the fact that you are perfectly willing to avail yourself of the fruits of their "atheistic" efforts.

Same thing with evolution Ray, it works just fine without any gods. Just burns your cookies don't it?

As a christian, I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is “anti-God philosophy.”

"With all deference to the sensibilities of religious people, the idea that man was created in the image of God can surely be put aside."

"Scientific theories of human nature may be discomforting or unsatisfying, but they are not illegitimate. And serious attempts to frame them will reflect the origins of the human mind in biological and cultural evolution, WITHOUT reference to a divine creation." ***** (Emphasis mine.) Full article is at Nature science journal: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/447753a.html

This does not utterly invalidate the idea that the human mind is, as Senator Brownback would have it, a reflection of the mind of God. But the suggestion that any entity capable of creating the Universe has a mind encumbered with the same emotional structures and perceptual framework as that of an upright ape adapted to living in small, intensely social peer-groups on the African savannah seems a priori unlikely.

Brownback's blind spot is that he doesn't have "truth," he has religious dogma only. Dogma doesn't necessarily make something true.

FL said:

As a christian, I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is “anti-God philosophy.”

Of course, the "established science" you're talking about is Evolution. So let's explore it a little. Since you're a Christian, let's briefly look at a couple of interesting snippets of established science, from a recognized and respected science journal.

"With all deference to the sensibilities of religious people, the idea that man was created in the image of God can surely be put aside."

"Scientific theories of human nature may be discomforting or unsatisfying, but they are not illegitimate. And serious attempts to frame them will reflect the origins of the human mind in biological and cultural evolution, WITHOUT reference to a divine creation." ***** (Emphasis mine.) Full article is at Nature science journal: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/447753a.html

So let me ask you plainly. As a Christian, do you AGREE or do you DISAGREE on this? Remember, according to the Nature science journal, "...the idea that human minds are the product of evolution is not atheistic theology. It is unassailable fact." And given that fact, you must, as a matter of science, set aside what they specified to be set aside. Surely it's not "anti-God" to set it aside; it's merely a matter of established science and unassailable fact. So, are you going to set it aside...? FL

Why do you bring it up, Flawd?

As a christian, I fail to see how established science i.e. the science that is taught in all schools, colleges, and universities everywhere, is “anti-God philosophy.”

Of course the idea that man was created in the image of God can be put aside. Of course serious attempts to frame scientific theories of human nature will reflect the origins of the human mind in biological and cultural evolution, without reference to a divine creation. There is not the slightest reason to suppose any divine creation ever occurred. There is not the slightest evidence that any such thing ever happened. No real explanation of human nature requires such magical thinking.

Story in the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/loch-ness-monster-real-in-biology-textbook/2012/06/26/gJQAPhwr4V_blog.html

Dave Luckett said: Story in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/loch-ness-monster-real-in-biology-textbook/2012/06/26/gJQAPhwr4V_blog.html

I'm appalled at that test. There's nothing about how the Sun revolves around the Earth. The kid and the teacher might as well be atheists. ;-)

Dave Luckett said: Story in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/loch-ness-monster-real-in-biology-textbook/2012/06/26/gJQAPhwr4V_blog.html

Of course, the “established science” you’re talking about is Evolution. So let’s explore it a little.

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

Ken Ham's Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/aigkenham?hc_location=stream

Ian Derthal said: What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

I was tempted to leave a comment on that webpage, but refrained. It would serve no purpose. But the more Christian schools that teach mythology as science, the more churches will lose members. Nothing is worse than a young college student realizing that they had been lied to their whole life. I've seen it happen.

Sandefur, NO!

Harold, SI!

Ian Derthal said: What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

Ian Derthal said: Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

Just Bob said: And y'know, all those super-sized dinosaurs: just lump all of them into 2 or 3 "kinds". One pair of the big long-neck kind, one of the toothy 2-leggers, maybe a pair of the ones like rhinos. See, they'll fit easily. Then after the flood they can instantly evolve diversify into all the dinosaur species (and the few mammal "kinds" can sprout all the prehistoric mammal megafauna), then a century or so later, they can all go extinct. Umm, so why did Noah have to go to all that trouble to save them, if their immediate future read 'extinction'?

https://me.yahoo.com/a/JxVN0eQFqtmgoY7wC1cZM44ET_iAanxHQmLgYgX_Zhn8#57cad said:

diogeneslamp0 said: This from Ken Ham's hysterical attack:

The school administrator, relatively new as the head of the academy, was shocked to find her school becoming the target of atheist attacks and even some threats.

Threats. Threats, he says. Wanna bet Ham is lying... again? If there are threats, we should demand they present evidence of these threats.

Well, they were probably "threats" of honest evaluations. Those do threaten what they say, after all. Glen Davidson

Werewolf Dongle said:

Ian Derthal said: Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

You must be the sort of lukewarm, Laodecian Christian Jesus spews out of his mouth. The science quiz clearly reflects Biblical truth. That makes it correct. Will you disagree with your Lord and Savior on Judgment Day?

Werewolf Dongle said:

Just Bob said: And y'know, all those super-sized dinosaurs: just lump all of them into 2 or 3 "kinds". One pair of the big long-neck kind, one of the toothy 2-leggers, maybe a pair of the ones like rhinos. See, they'll fit easily. Then after the flood they can instantly evolve diversify into all the dinosaur species (and the few mammal "kinds" can sprout all the prehistoric mammal megafauna), then a century or so later, they can all go extinct. Umm, so why did Noah have to go to all that trouble to save them, if their immediate future read 'extinction'?

Isn't it obvious the creature called Triceratops is just an extinct breed of the rhinoceros kind?

Werewolf Dongle said: Was it an "honest evaluation" when Diocletian threw Christians to the lions?

I am wondering if Werewolf Dongle is being a Poe.

diogeneslamp0 said: I am wondering if Werewolf Dongle is being a Poe.

It's a troll, a poe, or demented. Could be any combination of those. Even all three at once.

Trolls, various flavors: I've had the interesting experience of watching a dedicated internet troll roll helplessly around with laughter - real laughter - at his brilliant success in getting people so mad at him that they want to kill him. It made me realise that I didn't have to read good SF to be presented with a genuinely alien mind. Whole societies of alien minds, in fact. There's leagues of them out there.

And then, unfortunately, the reflection: they're not actual aliens. They're us, too. And that's a horrifying fact.

Isn’t it obvious the creature called Triceratops is just an extinct breed of the rhinoceros kind?

Dave Luckett said: It's a troll, a poe, or demented. Could be any combination of those. Even all three at once. Trolls, various flavors: I've had the interesting experience of watching a dedicated internet troll roll helplessly around with laughter - real laughter - at his brilliant success in getting people so mad at him that they want to kill him. It made me realise that I didn't have to read good SF to be presented with a genuinely alien mind. Whole societies of alien minds, in fact. There's leagues of them out there. And then, unfortunately, the reflection: they're not actual aliens. They're us, too. And that's a horrifying fact.

Definitions:

Poe: one who takes advantage of Poe's Law, viz., "absent an obvious indication, such as a 'smiley', no satire of creationism is identifiable as satire, for no satire can be distinguished from the genuine opinions of some creationists." Hence a poe is one who actually intends satire, it's just that it's impossible to know for sure, simply from the text.

Troll: one who posts simply to annoy.

Neither of the above classes post their real opinions, and what their real opinions are, if any, is impossible to know.

Demented: one whose conscious, real opinions are radically at odds with commonly received reality.

Diogenes, a corollary of Poe's Law is that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity and/or craziness of some subset of creationists. Byers, for example, has stated here that the Australian koala is just another one of the mammalian "bear kind", and the Tasmanian thylacine was only another breed of wolf. He would probably agree that the later ceratopsians are just another group of rhinos, too.

Keelyn said:

Werewolf Dongle said:

Ian Derthal said: Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

You must be the sort of lukewarm, Laodecian Christian Jesus spews out of his mouth. The science quiz clearly reflects Biblical truth. That makes it correct. Will you disagree with your Lord and Savior on Judgment Day?

The "science quiz" clearly reflects nonsense. That makes it wrong.

Dave Luckett said: Definitions: Poe: one who takes advantage of Poe's Law, viz., "absent an obvious indication, such as a 'smiley', no satire of creationism is identifiable as satire, for no satire can be distinguished from the genuine opinions of some creationists." Hence a poe is one who actually intends satire, it's just that it's impossible to know for sure, simply from the text. Troll: one who posts simply to annoy. Neither of the above classes post their real opinions, and what their real opinions are, if any, is impossible to know. Demented: one whose conscious, real opinions are radically at odds with commonly received reality.

Diogenes, a corollary of Poe's Law is that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity and/or craziness of some subset of creationists. Byers, for example, has stated here that the Australian koala is just another one of the mammalian "bear kind", and the Tasmanian thylacine was only another breed of wolf. He would probably agree that the later ceratopsians are just another group of rhinos, too.

Mike Elzinga said:

Werewolf Dongle said: Was it an "honest evaluation" when Diocletian threw Christians to the lions?

Was it an “honest evaluation” when John Calvin advocated for the death of Michael Servetus for “heresy?” Was it an “honest evaluation” to use green wood to make the burning of Michael Sevetus take as long and be as painful as possible?

Werewolf Dongle said:

Keelyn said:

Werewolf Dongle said:

Ian Derthal said: Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

You must be the sort of lukewarm, Laodecian Christian Jesus spews out of his mouth. The science quiz clearly reflects Biblical truth. That makes it correct. Will you disagree with your Lord and Savior on Judgment Day?

The "science quiz" clearly reflects nonsense. That makes it wrong.

Then you must think the Bible is nonsense. If you died today are you sure where you would end up?

Werewolf Dongle said: I'm not sure. Fighting heresy always has blurry ethical lines.

Just to correct my last grammatical errors (for clarity) in reply to Dongle,

Yes, I think the majority of the Bible is nonsense, just like the posted "science quiz." Yes, I am sure where I will end up if I die today - or tomorrow, or 70 years from now. I will end up dead - period - and probably in the ground somewhere ...or thrown to the wind. Again, thanks for the "concern." Now we actually are done.

Moron for Jesus said:

Diogenes, a corollary of Poe's Law is that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity and/or craziness of some subset of creationists. Byers, for example, has stated here that the Australian koala is just another one of the mammalian "bear kind", and the Tasmanian thylacine was only another breed of wolf. He would probably agree that the later ceratopsians are just another group of rhinos, too.

How do you know they are not? They look more like rhinos than chickens to me. Perhaps they look different to you. It all depends on your presuppositions.

apokryltaros said:

Moron for Jesus said:

Diogenes, a corollary of Poe's Law is that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity and/or craziness of some subset of creationists. Byers, for example, has stated here that the Australian koala is just another one of the mammalian "bear kind", and the Tasmanian thylacine was only another breed of wolf. He would probably agree that the later ceratopsians are just another group of rhinos, too.

How do you know they are not? They look more like rhinos than chickens to me. Perhaps they look different to you. It all depends on your presuppositions.

Different opinions are not equal in value if one set of opinions, such yours, are based on falsehoods, and deliberate stupidity. Especially since Triceratops' skull is unlike that of a rhinoceros' skull, especially since the former has horns made of bone, totally different arrangement of horns, A BEAK, a big bony frill where neck muscles were anchored to, and no molar teeth. That, and a rhinoceros' skull more closely resembles those of its relatives, the horses and the tapir. Or, perhaps you could explain to us why your inanely ill-informed opinion is superior because of your misuse of the word "presuppositions" and or why we should all bow our heads in deference to you just because you're roleplaying an Arrogant Idiot For Jesus.

Keelyn said: Just to correct my last grammatical errors (for clarity) in reply to Dongle, Yes, I think the majority of the Bible is nonsense, just like the posted "science quiz." Yes, I am sure where I will end up if I die today - or tomorrow, or 70 years from now. I will end up dead - period - and probably in the ground somewhere ...or thrown to the wind. Again, thanks for the "concern." Now we actually are done.

Werewolf Dongle said: What falsehood? All we know is what the high priests of scientism decided to put in their textbooks for whatever agenda they happen to be pursuing. For all we know the evidence could be completely made up. Pictures in books is all we have to go on. Why should my initial guess be any better than yours?

Fake Asshole for Jesus whined:

Keelyn said: Just to correct my last grammatical errors (for clarity) in reply to Dongle, Yes, I think the majority of the Bible is nonsense, just like the posted "science quiz." Yes, I am sure where I will end up if I die today - or tomorrow, or 70 years from now. I will end up dead - period - and probably in the ground somewhere ...or thrown to the wind. Again, thanks for the "concern." Now we actually are done.

You will learn on Judgment Day Jesus is not done with you!

Keelyn said:

Werewolf Dongle said:

Keelyn said:

Werewolf Dongle said:

Ian Derthal said: Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

You must be the sort of lukewarm, Laodecian Christian Jesus spews out of his mouth. The science quiz clearly reflects Biblical truth. That makes it correct. Will you disagree with your Lord and Savior on Judgment Day?

The "science quiz" clearly reflects nonsense. That makes it wrong.

Then you must think the Bible is nonsense. If you died today are you sure where you would end up?

Yes, I think the majority of Bible is nonsense, yes like the posted "science quiz." Yes, I am sure will I will end up if I die today. Thanks for the "concern". Now we are done.

KlausH said:

Keelyn said:

Werewolf Dongle said:

Keelyn said:

Werewolf Dongle said:

Ian Derthal said: Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:

Here is a photo of the actual 4th grade class and the teacher who showed AiG's 'Dinosaurs Genesis and the Gospel' DVD and gave the class a short test on the biblical truths they had learned. The test was posted by a person in the community... on a website and it went viral on the Internet as a result of atheists viciously lashing out at the school. Think about it! The atheists are so worried about this small but high quality school in teaching a small group of kids. Compare this to the millions of kids the secularists already have at their disposal through the public education system and the numerous secular museums across the country to indoctrinate in their anti-God religion of evolution/millions of years/naturalism. The atheists now are not content with imposing their anti-God religion on the majority of kids--they want ALL of your kids. In my opinion, this action by the atheists against this small Christian School clearly illustrates: 1. How intolerant these atheists are of Christianity 2. The atheists think they have a license in this culture go after Christians as the enemy and say whatever they want about them 3. They must be very insecure in the views 4. They don't have any logical arguments to defend their position which is why they name call and attack 5. This also shows that the secularists have become increasingly aggressive against Christians and God's people need become bold in their stand for Him and His Word. 6. There is increasing rhetoric from the atheists that kids belong to the community, the state, not the parents. But, as Christians, we should not be surprised: “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) Pray for Blue Ridge Christian Academy. I believe God is using this wonderful Christian School for might purposes--and that's how God works--in ways we never would have dreamed of. The article we wrote on this situation is at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school AiG's Theme for this year is: Standing Our Ground--Rescuing Our Kids (Galatians 1:4). We need to be actively rescuing our kids from this evil generation that are out to destroy them.

What Ken Ham and people like FL fail to realise is that young Earth creationism, and what is written on this school test in no way is Christianity. None of what that child wrote appears anywhere in scripture. I wish some of the so called evangelical leaders would speak up against this nonsense. This brings the whole of Christianity and the gospel into disrepute. No wonder Atheists are laughing.

You must be the sort of lukewarm, Laodecian Christian Jesus spews out of his mouth. The science quiz clearly reflects Biblical truth. That makes it correct. Will you disagree with your Lord and Savior on Judgment Day?

The "science quiz" clearly reflects nonsense. That makes it wrong.

Then you must think the Bible is nonsense. If you died today are you sure where you would end up?

Yes, I think the majority of Bible is nonsense, yes like the posted "science quiz." Yes, I am sure will I will end up if I die today. Thanks for the "concern". Now we are done.

The ironic thing is that most of the crap on the test is not even in the Bible. Creationists often have bizarre beliefs with no scriptural support, while bleating about taking the Bible literally. My favorite is the "speaking in tongues" idiocy. If they actually READ the Bible, they would see it is the OPPOSITE of the insane babbling they do. Then there is the hypocrisy of claiming Jesus is the most important person in their lives, while making no attempt to actually learn about him, his times, places he visited, customs, the language he spoke, the people he dealt with, or any actual historical evidence.

KlausH said: The ironic thing is that most of the crap on the test is not even in the Bible. Creationists often have bizarre beliefs with no scriptural support, while bleating about taking the Bible literally. My favorite is the "speaking in tongues" idiocy. If they actually READ the Bible, they would see it is the OPPOSITE of the insane babbling they do. Then there is the hypocrisy of claiming Jesus is the most important person in their lives, while making no attempt to actually learn about him, his times, places he visited, customs, the language he spoke, the people he dealt with, or any actual historical evidence.