No, the human Y chromosome does not look like a "Y"

Posted 8 September 2014 by

A friend brought this 2012 news article about the evolution of the rhesus monkey Y chromosome to my attention. The primary work itself is about characterizing the gene content of the rhesus Y chromosome (a laborious, and necessary task). This particular write-up, however, is slightly frustrating for some of the (wrong) assumptions it makes, but most noticable is the image:

The picture of the "X and Y" chromosomes where the X chromosome, presumably, looks like an X, and the Y chromosome looks like a Y. If this were true, we might then assume that chromosome 1 looks like a "1" and chromsome 22 looks like a "22". None of these are true. 

All human chromosomes, even the six acrocentric chromosomes (13, 14, 15, 21, 22, and Y), look kind of like "X's" when they are duplicating, having sister chromatids (see this karyotype, a picture of chromosomes: https://www.mun.ca/biology/scarr/Human_Karyotype.html). And none of the chromosomes look like X's when they are not in the duplication process (see this image from the J. Craig Venter Institute: http://www.jcvi.org/cms/fileadmin/site/research/projects/huref/figure2a.jpg).

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harold · 8 September 2014

The Venter Institute picture shows a standard metaphase karyotype. Production and interpretation of this type of image is standard medical practice when working up various types of cancer, mainly leukemia and related disorders but also some other types, and also when doing workups for genetic disorders that can be detected at the karyotypic level, for example, trisomy 21. Notice how the chromosomes look "banded". Every band has a meaning as a landmark. This standard type of karyotype analysis is supplemented by several more recent advanced techniques. However, the metaphase karyotype is still very important. It takes a huge amount of training and practice to interpret this type of karyotype.

This is not what chromosomes look like inside a living cell, but it's an excellent way to visualize them for a useful level of analysis.

What has been done is the following - cells of interest were briefly cultured and induced to divide, and then arrested in metaphase by exposing them to the toxin colchicine. The bands are the result of subsequent staining.

Of course, even the chromosomes of cells poisoned during metaphase don't line themselves up that neatly. The old way of sorting out a karytopye, which I have done, was to take photomicrographs of cell nuclei, cut the chromosomes out of the pictures with scissors, and line them up by hand. Now it's done digitally, of course.

Most of the time, even rapidly dividing human cells are in interphase, and their chromosomes would look, if you will, like a tangle of spaghetti.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karyotype#Observations_on_karyotypes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytogenetics#Techniques

http://classes.biology.ucsd.edu/bimm110.SP07/lectures_WEB/Cytogenetics%20Note.pdf

Joe Felsenstein · 8 September 2014

Furthermore, the Telegraph illustration shows that each chromosome arm is a separate DNA helix, only about 100 bases long. And they are not covalently bonded to each other. But they are surrounded and held together by some kind of transparent gel, maybe silica gel.

And here I'd just gotten over thinking that autosomes and X chromosomes were straight, while Y chromosomes were bent at the centromere.

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawm-WhebH0itIDDTj06EQo2vtiF0BBqF10Q · 8 September 2014

As I mentioned elsewhere it is even worse: two of the chromatid halves of what supposedly shall represent an X-chroosome and the left upper arm of what is meant to be a Y-chromosome contain left-handed DNA.

harold · 9 September 2014

I'm absolutely positive that the artist who generated the newspaper illustration intended it as totally symbolic, rather than realistic.

However, I agree that there is always some danger that naive readers will be misled by such images.

M. Wilson Sayres · 11 September 2014

I agree that this is an artist's rendition, but there are tons of science artists who care about getting the science right, as well as producing wonderful images.

callahanpb · 11 September 2014

harold said: I'm absolutely positive that the artist who generated the newspaper illustration intended it as totally symbolic, rather than realistic.
The 3D rendering and lighting effects are suggestive of something that is not purely symbolic. Looking at this, you would at least expect the geometry to be roughly correct. So while I agree that it is intended symbolically, it is not a good illustration. BTW, is there an electron micrograph that shows why it would be suggestive of a Y? This one http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~edy/genome/ shows a lot of Xs, and I assume it is accurate though I don't know the exact circumstances of how you would get that picture.

harold · 11 September 2014

callahanpb said:
harold said: I'm absolutely positive that the artist who generated the newspaper illustration intended it as totally symbolic, rather than realistic.
The 3D rendering and lighting effects are suggestive of something that is not purely symbolic. Looking at this, you would at least expect the geometry to be roughly correct. So while I agree that it is intended symbolically, it is not a good illustration. BTW, is there an electron micrograph that shows why it would be suggestive of a Y? This one http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~edy/genome/ shows a lot of Xs, and I assume it is accurate though I don't know the exact circumstances of how you would get that picture.
1) I find the illustration completely inoffensive and obviously symbolic, but any excuse to talk about chromosomes is good. 2) That's an EM of a metaphase karyotype. It is obviously a scanning EM. A metaphase chromosome can be, say, 2 to 20 micrometers in size, so they're large enough to be captured with a scanning EM. See my comment above for answers to your questions.

harold · 11 September 2014

callahanpb said:
harold said: I'm absolutely positive that the artist who generated the newspaper illustration intended it as totally symbolic, rather than realistic.
The 3D rendering and lighting effects are suggestive of something that is not purely symbolic. Looking at this, you would at least expect the geometry to be roughly correct. So while I agree that it is intended symbolically, it is not a good illustration. BTW, is there an electron micrograph that shows why it would be suggestive of a Y? This one http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~edy/genome/ shows a lot of Xs, and I assume it is accurate though I don't know the exact circumstances of how you would get that picture.
Oops, I just noticed that maybe you thought the "X" chromosome was named for its shape. (Apologies if I'm misreading.) Maybe that illustration has more insidious effects than I thought. The "X" and "Y" nomenclature is not related to chromosome shape. Sister chromatids,at metaphase, while still conjoined at the centromere, do look like an "X". But all of them do. Not just the "X" chromosome. In some lineages the convention "ZW" is used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZW_sex-determination_system None of this is based on shape. When not condensed for cell division, a human chromosome is an extremely long, thin strand of double stranded DNA, intricately wound around an architecture of supporting proteins, but often partly unwound due to gene expression.

callahanpb · 11 September 2014

harold said: Oops, I just noticed that maybe you thought the “X” chromosome was named for its shape. (Apologies if I’m misreading.)
Yes, I did. I'm not a biologist. The fact that they sometimes look like Xs doesn't help. My rough understanding that the Y chromosome has "lost" something, combined with its name, inevitably (for me and probably a lot of people) leads to the conclusion that it has lost one of its four "arms" and that makes it look like a Y. So assuming the above is completely wrong, pictures like the one linked are unhelpful. I can understand that if you already know enough about chromosomes, you could ignore all that and see it as obviously symbolic. I'm also aware that not everything called X and Y are X and Y shaped, but sometimes letters are used like this. The classification of pentominos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentomino follows this rule, for instance. I should probably go back and study chromosomes a little. (Embarrassingly, I have worked as a software engineer in biotech doing sequence analysis, and I have read Genome by Matt Ridley, among other things, but I am probably very confused about what makes the Y chromosome a Y. I really thought it had to do with the shape.)

Henry J · 12 September 2014

The shape of things to come?

Jim Thomerson · 20 September 2014

In biology X and Y, maybe Z are used to designate things discovered but not understood. For example google crayfish X and Y organs. I took physiology from a professor who studied them, so I know of them. They are in the eyestalk, and large numbers were needed for study. So his graduate students had excellent crayfish boils with the discarded eyeless crayfish.

callahanpb · 20 September 2014

Jim Thomerson said: In biology X and Y, maybe Z are used to designate things discovered but not understood.
Yes, that makes perfect sense. But the misconception that it has to do with shape is not unique to me. The wikipedia page says:
The idea that the Y chromosome was named after its similarity in appearance to the letter "Y" is mistaken. All chromosomes normally appear as an amorphous blob under the microscope and only take on a well-defined shape during mitosis. This shape is vaguely X-shaped for all chromosomes. It is entirely coincidental that the Y chromosome, during mitosis, has two very short branches which can look merged under the microscope and appear as the descender of a Y-shape.
I'm happy to be set straight on this, and I also wonder where I ever got this idea in the first place.