Coyote Buttes

ONLY A GLOBAL FLOOD COULD PRODUCE THOSE DIFFERENTIATED SWIRLY BITS.

Yeah, cause sometimes water, like, swirls.

They look designed to me.

You laugh, but how likely is it that those would evolve over millions of years by random chance?

Hey, that's about as intelligent as claiming that humans are supposed by evilutionists to be due to mere randomness--and that's a staple over at UD.

Glen Davidson

I prefer Coyote fronttes.

gdavidson418 said: You laugh, but how likely is it that those would evolve over millions of years by random chance? Hey, that's about as intelligent as claiming that humans are supposed by evilutionists to be due to mere randomness--and that's a staple over at UD. Glen Davidson

OO! OO! Is that a coyote toward the lower-left corner (about one-fifth of the way up and the same distance over) or is it just another one of those pareidolias?

I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago.
Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

Marilyn said: I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago. Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

ksplawn said: ONLY A GLOBAL FLOOD COULD PRODUCE THOSE DIFFERENTIATED SWIRLY BITS.

So they were designed by Acme?

Henry J said: So they were designed by Acme?

The Ice Age floods of 13000 or more years ago left similarly odd shapes of basalt in Eastern Washington. The cataclysmic flooding came from burst ice dams near Missoula, Montana. The floods carved out the scablands and then vanished, leaving a semi-arid desert and no local hint of a water source. Glaciers didn't go this far south, so where did the water source originate? -Or was the carving done by wind rather than water?

I may have missed something but all I see is a cross-bedded sandstone that has suffered from erosion and is now showing the structure in 3 dimensions. There are no "swirly bits". The only discussion would be how the original dune beds were laid down. The large majority of geologists would suggest it was aeolian. YECs would probably say it was laid down under water.
(Or have I been led up the garden path by American humour?)

AlanUK

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkfz_ydidIaI_m6NKfKsDtTO1rKHmi8B-c said: I may have missed something but all I see is a cross-bedded sandstone that has suffered from erosion and is now showing the structure in 3 dimensions. There are no "swirly bits". The only discussion would be how the original dune beds were laid down. The large majority of geologists would suggest it was aeolian. YECs would probably say it was laid down under water. (Or have I been led up the garden path by American humour?) AlanUK

klink said: The Ice Age floods of 13000 or more years ago left similarly odd shapes of basalt in Eastern Washington. The cataclysmic flooding came from burst ice dams near Missoula, Montana. The floods carved out the scablands and then vanished, leaving a semi-arid desert and no local hint of a water source. Glaciers didn't go this far south, so where did the water source originate? -Or was the carving done by wind rather than water?

Mike Clinch said: Young-Earth Creationists ought to be pointing to the Channeled Scablands for what happens in catastrophic flooding, not the Grand Canyon, but doing so would be fatal to their cause. Here we can see the effects of catastrophic flooding, and also see how naturalistic, uniformitarian processes led to the final result. This completely undercuts the need for a global flood.

Mike Clinch said:

klink said: The Ice Age floods of 13000 or more years ago left similarly odd shapes of basalt in Eastern Washington. The cataclysmic flooding came from burst ice dams near Missoula, Montana. The floods carved out the scablands and then vanished, leaving a semi-arid desert and no local hint of a water source. Glaciers didn't go this far south, so where did the water source originate? -Or was the carving done by wind rather than water?

The glaciers DID cause it. An ice lobe advanced down the Rocky Mountain Trench to just south of Coeur d'Alene Idaho, and dammed up the Clark Fork River. A lake covering most of the valleys in western Montana was formed, called Glacial Lake Missoula. When the depth of the lake reached about 9/10ths the height of the glacial dam, the dam floated off its bed, and broke, and a wall of water initially over 2,500 feet high went racing down the Columbia River. The glacier readvanced, dammed up the lake again and the process repeated - over thirty times. Similar outburst floods have been found elsewhere around the world. It's even happening today on a small scale at Lago Argentino in Patagonia. Young-Earth Creationists ought to be pointing to the Channeled Scablands for what happens in catastrophic flooding, not the Grand Canyon, but doing so would be fatal to their cause. Here we can see the effects of catastrophic flooding, and also see how naturalistic, uniformitarian processes led to the final result. This completely undercuts the need for a global flood.

Henry J said: So they were designed by Acme?

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said: I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago. Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

Is it possible that you have a history of substance abuse?

Marilyn said:

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said: I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago. Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

Is it possible that you have a history of substance abuse?

If not me the Earth has suffered from this.

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said:

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said: I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago. Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

Is it possible that you have a history of substance abuse?

If not me the Earth has suffered from this.

I really should know better, but... How does a planet abuse substances?

Marilyn said:

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said:

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said: I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago. Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

Is it possible that you have a history of substance abuse?

If not me the Earth has suffered from this.

I really should know better, but... How does a planet abuse substances?

I meant it can suffer from air pollution, sea pollution and acid rain.

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said:

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said:

Just Bob said:

Marilyn said: I wonder if the fluid was more corrosive than erosive all those years ago. Anyway how is it that they are still there when we now have the helter skelter.

Is it possible that you have a history of substance abuse?

If not me the Earth has suffered from this.

I really should know better, but... How does a planet abuse substances?

I meant it can suffer from air pollution, sea pollution and acid rain.

OK, I supposed that was what you meant. But now I shall quibble (I do that a lot) with the figure of speech you and many others use. "The Earth has suffered," or more often, "Save the Earth." "Join our organization and help us save our planet!" Umm... our planet is in no danger. Planets seem to get along just fine with poisonous atmospheres, no atmospheres, crushing greenhouse effects, and temperatures that melt lead or freeze air solid. And they don't need humans or even life at all to be perfectly 'happy' planets. Ever watch one of those "if humans disappeared" shows? Modify Earth conditions so that it becomes another Venus or Mars, and it will continue merrily orbiting the Sun as it has for a few billion years. What people mean, and should say, is not "save the Earth" (if we tried our hardest we couldn't get rid of it or kill it), but preserve the conditions that WE find favorable (even though many other earthly creatures may NOT prosper under those 'people-friendly' conditions). It's not "Save the planet!"; it's "Preserve our comfort!"

“186,000 miles per second. Not just a good idea. It’s the law.”

Being a pedant, only in a vacuum.

Light is slowed down in transparent media such as air, water and glass. The ratio by which it is slowed is called the refractive index of the medium.

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkfz_ydidIaI_m6NKfKsDtTO1rKHmi8B-c said: “186,000 miles per second. Not just a good idea. It’s the law.” Being a pedant, only in a vacuum. Light is slowed down in transparent media such as air, water and glass. The ratio by which it is slowed is called the refractive index of the medium.

Which reminds me of the slogan “Conserve Energy!” As if we had any choice. We human beings are constrained by the laws of nature.

Just Bob said: Yeah, cause sometimes water, like, swirls.

gdavidson418 said: You laugh, but how likely is it that those would evolve over millions of years by random chance? Hey, that's about as intelligent as claiming that humans are supposed by evilutionists to be due to mere randomness--and that's a staple over at UD. Glen Davidson

The Coyote Buttes, in Jurassic Navajo Sandstone, straddles the Utah-Arizona border at the northwest margin of Vermilion Cliffs National Monument. Its spectacular geology—cyclic eolian cross strata, striking coloration, and sculpted geomorphology— makes the area one of the most popular on the Colorado Plateau. Field and laboratory techniques document three geologic features of the Coyote Buttes: sandstone diagenesis, a dinosaur trample surface, and modern iron oxide micro-concretion eolian ripples analogous to Mars. The range of red, orange, pink, and purple sandstone hues is largely due to iron oxide—hematite and lesser goethite grain-coatings and cement. Six diagenetic color facies (10's m thick) document paleofluid interactions and both advective fluid flow and diffusive iron mobilization in the host rock. Bleaching patterns (cm-10's m scale) indicate advective, upward migration and accumulation of a buoyant, chemically reducing fluid (likely hydrocarbons). Liesegang bands record diffusive mass transfer across redox boundaries between a fluid enriched in mobile, ferrous iron and oxygen-rich groundwater. Coloration developed during a narrow timeframe concurrent with Laramide-aged faulting; paleofluid flow is eastward. A well-preserved dinosaur trample surface in a wet interdune interval exhibits multiple overlapping track types and sizes, high track density, footprint features, and rare tail drag marks. At least three distinct ichnogenera are present - Eubrontes, Anchisauripus, and Grallator, along with tracks of an unidentified Sauropodomorph. The trample surface refines ecologic and climatic conditions recorded in Early Jurassic eolian deposits. Complex, coarse-grained ripples of iron oxide micro-concretions derived from redox fronts are terrestrial analogs to Martian features. The ripples illuminate the history of host rock diagenesis (similar to Liesegang banding), weathering stages, and modern wind processes. These events may be scaled to Martian conditions where similar ripples are widespread and formed in a lower-density atmosphere under higher winds. The Coyote Buttes annually draw thousands of wilderness enthusiasts and photographers. This study contributes a better understanding of the area's intense diagenetic coloration and fluid history, the paleoecology of the Navajo erg, and wind dominated Martian processes. The Coyote Buttes is a valuable geologic feature for the scientific community, and an exceptional aesthetic landscape for resource management in the Vermilion Cliffs National Monument.

ksplawn said: ONLY A GLOBAL FLOOD COULD PRODUCE THOSE DIFFERENTIATED SWIRLY BITS.

Ed Darrell said:

ksplawn said: ONLY A GLOBAL FLOOD COULD PRODUCE THOSE DIFFERENTIATED SWIRLY BITS.

Except, they are a fossilized desert. No flood. See here, for explanation and even more wild example: http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2010/03/soft-sediment-deformation-at-coyote-buttes.html

The glaciers DID cause it. An ice lobe advanced down the Rocky Mountain Trench to just south of Coeur d’Alene Idaho, and dammed up the Clark Fork River. A lake covering most of the valleys in western Montana was formed, called Glacial Lake Missoula. When the depth of the lake reached about 9/10ths the height of the glacial dam, the dam floated off its bed, and broke, and a wall of water initially over 2,500 feet high went racing down the Columbia River. The glacier readvanced, dammed up the lake again and the process repeated - over thirty times.